3G DIY The Poor Man's Cold Air Intake - pics
09-09-2013, 12:28 PM
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Thanks, man...I'll either rebuild my oem looking one, or I'll end up doing the DC, almost sure. OEM TB is just over 2.75", like you mentioned.
What's the current consensus on the TB spacer? Yay or Nay?
Thanks, man...I'll either rebuild my oem looking one, or I'll end up doing the DC, almost sure. OEM TB is just over 2.75", like you mentioned.
What's the current consensus on the TB spacer? Yay or Nay?
09-09-2013, 12:34 PM
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^^^ Since you have the P2R TB spacer, keep it....
The coolant bypass will help keep the TB cooler hence the intake air cooler....imagine 200 deg coolant going through your TB
The P2R is a good addition....also, if you know you are not going to port and polish your manifold/runners/TB, then I suggest getting the MDX Spacer....I felt great gains with it and more than just gains, since it makes the manifold sit higher, the air that's going through your bay, keeps the manifold cooler....my intake used to be COLDDDD after a drive even in 100 deg weather....
I am trying to see if I can make some changes to the spacer and fit it again....
The coolant bypass will help keep the TB cooler hence the intake air cooler....imagine 200 deg coolant going through your TB
The P2R is a good addition....also, if you know you are not going to port and polish your manifold/runners/TB, then I suggest getting the MDX Spacer....I felt great gains with it and more than just gains, since it makes the manifold sit higher, the air that's going through your bay, keeps the manifold cooler....my intake used to be COLDDDD after a drive even in 100 deg weather....
I am trying to see if I can make some changes to the spacer and fit it again....
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10-09-2013, 08:00 AM
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I still maintain that sealing up the stock airbox and using THAT as your tubing is the cheapest option. I really don't think that you free up enough HP by running aftermarket tubing to justify the added cost. This mod LITERALLY only costs you whatever you pay for a nice AEM dryflow
10-09-2013, 09:01 AM
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Jeremy talking about power
J series motor LOVESSS to breathe....See sonnicks dyno's....see how much did a 4" intake gain OVER an AEM intake (or did he have a KNN typhoon) OVER stock
I would really fray from giving advice about something which you havent tried
the intakes DO gain....yes not worth to spend $300 over, but definitely worth spending $100 over....
as ANX mentioned get the airraid DIY kit....or get the piping from the links I provided...you should have an intake for 100-125 bucks and which will gain power....
I think the poormans intake is just to maintain stock look....I would have done what many others have done, take the intake resonator out and call it a day
J series motor LOVESSS to breathe....See sonnicks dyno's....see how much did a 4" intake gain OVER an AEM intake (or did he have a KNN typhoon) OVER stock
I would really fray from giving advice about something which you havent tried
the intakes DO gain....yes not worth to spend $300 over, but definitely worth spending $100 over....
as ANX mentioned get the airraid DIY kit....or get the piping from the links I provided...you should have an intake for 100-125 bucks and which will gain power....
I think the poormans intake is just to maintain stock look....I would have done what many others have done, take the intake resonator out and call it a day
10-09-2013, 09:03 AM
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So somehow your vicarious advice is more substantiated?
Stock piping is super restrictive? Don't make me get Justin in here to explain how he's been told that the TB is what limits the airflow and after a certain point a conical on the end of an almost 3" resonator tube isn't restricting much more, if any more, than a different set of tubing. It's a straight shot through there.
People have different theories and to be clear, I did say you may have slight gains, but maybe not enough to go any further than what this mod is for.
In addition, please note the purpose of this thread. It's specifically to share the idea of making a poor man's intake, not debate it's relevance in comparison to other options.
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Stock piping is super restrictive? Don't make me get Justin in here to explain how he's been told that the TB is what limits the airflow and after a certain point a conical on the end of an almost 3" resonator tube isn't restricting much more, if any more, than a different set of tubing. It's a straight shot through there.
People have different theories and to be clear, I did say you may have slight gains, but maybe not enough to go any further than what this mod is for.
In addition, please note the purpose of this thread. It's specifically to share the idea of making a poor man's intake, not debate it's relevance in comparison to other options.
J.
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10-09-2013, 09:13 AM
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bad edit LOL....
buddy, I only base my advice on personal experience AND dyno's....I wish I was more dedicated like other and take dyno's after every mod....but I have seen dyno's posted by Sonnick (who has the same mods as me) and I have seen his J30 really breathe and gain with an air intake
to a point, I want to add a velocity stack like he did
now
and lets finish this project
buddy, I only base my advice on personal experience AND dyno's....I wish I was more dedicated like other and take dyno's after every mod....but I have seen dyno's posted by Sonnick (who has the same mods as me) and I have seen his J30 really breathe and gain with an air intake
to a point, I want to add a velocity stack like he did
now
and lets finish this project
10-09-2013, 09:19 AM
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@ another edit....Jeremy...yes I agree that the TB is the final decider in what/how much enters the manifold/engine....
so lets apply the same theory in exhaust....you telling me because I have catalytic converters blocking my exhaust, I wont gain anything with a free flowing jpipe/exhaust?
Finally it all comes to surface area...ever think how on a similar TB the SRI gains are different to the CAI? how does the power band move around? even though its the same TB, same limiting factor right?
I think you are forgetting about intake velocity...a free flowing path which offers less resistance will have higher intake velocity than the oem....
and finally, the poor man's intake of yours i am guessing, costs barely less than my 4" intake or ANX airraid DIY intake...am not here to argue....but if you say the SOLE purpose of this is for OEM looks, I agree.....but you said
I really don't think that you free up enough HP by running aftermarket tubing to justify the added cost
you're welcome
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10-09-2013, 09:42 AM
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The idea for poor man's intake cost me whatever I paid for the conical filter. That's it. It's intended for people on a budget. It makes the sound, keeps the oem look and costs a filter, some time and a little ingenuity.
Next we'll be discussing what "A lot" vs "A little" means to each other.
Meh, maybe I'll eat my words and get an intake too.
Next we'll be discussing what "A lot" vs "A little" means to each other.
Meh, maybe I'll eat my words and get an intake too.
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10-09-2013, 10:03 AM
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LOL...
I agree....the tubing is en extra 50-70 bucks which I bet is not tooo bad (I keep remembering the phrase you mentioned a while back "gotta pay to play")....hell people spend $150 on triton LED's....
as I mentioned the real poormans intake would be to take the intake resonator off....make the growl a little more and leaves the stock looks....
and its not about eating words brother....please dont take it personally....its about learning....if am proved wrong here, you know me, I would apologize for my advice, and put my head down and walk away....but the main thing is, I would learn something out of it....
I agree....the tubing is en extra 50-70 bucks which I bet is not tooo bad (I keep remembering the phrase you mentioned a while back "gotta pay to play")....hell people spend $150 on triton LED's
....as I mentioned the real poormans intake would be to take the intake resonator off....make the growl a little more and leaves the stock looks....
and its not about eating words brother....please dont take it personally....its about learning....if am proved wrong here, you know me, I would apologize for my advice, and put my head down and walk away....but the main thing is, I would learn something out of it....
10-09-2013, 10:12 AM
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IMO, the only reason to do anything but this poor mans intake is if you have other mods that demand/utilize the bigger intake. P&P, TB, etc.
I would NEVER spend $300 on an AEM intake for this car. I bought mine used for cheap. Not sure I'd even do that again.
So either do this for sound or go big (literally) for what little bit of power that can be had.
I would NEVER spend $300 on an AEM intake for this car. I bought mine used for cheap. Not sure I'd even do that again.
So either do this for sound or go big (literally) for what little bit of power that can be had.
10-09-2013, 10:20 AM
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^^^I think the stars have aligned because you basically just nailed what I was getting at.
I guess I made the mistake of applying my own logic to my advice. I'm at a point where I've wasted "XXX" amount of dollars (probably more like XXXXXXXXXXX) on making my car sound good and feel a little faster and shift more precisely and at the end of the day I can put what, 3 cars on a bone stock TL?!?!
I guess after having been a bit more seasoned I'm more tempered in my expectation of this car and how I'd rather have that money back in the bank.
If I seriously thought I'd be spanking people up I'd be in that 5.0 or S5.
Anil, wasn't taking it personally. I think the 3 of us can agree that the way we come across sometimes is like what we think/say is gospel and it clearly gets a poor reaction.
I guess I made the mistake of applying my own logic to my advice. I'm at a point where I've wasted "XXX" amount of dollars (probably more like XXXXXXXXXXX) on making my car sound good and feel a little faster and shift more precisely and at the end of the day I can put what, 3 cars on a bone stock TL?!?!
I guess after having been a bit more seasoned I'm more tempered in my expectation of this car and how I'd rather have that money back in the bank. If I seriously thought I'd be spanking people up I'd be in that 5.0 or S5.
Anil, wasn't taking it personally. I think the 3 of us can agree that the way we come across sometimes is like what we think/say is gospel and it clearly gets a poor reaction.
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10-09-2013, 10:37 AM
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@ little....4" intake as I mentioned is $125 here are the gains OVER AEM intake: 2WHP and 8WTQ...imagine the gain over stock
Update....I got back on the dyno with the 4" CAI/velocity stack setup. Prior dyno was done with the AEM V1. This intake was longer the the AEM, which would explain why I peaked at 63xx RPM rather than 66xx. The midrange gain was impressive though. The comparison dyno is not the exact graph I posted earlier, but it was done on the same day. I'm going to call the shop to see if I can get a graph comparing the stock manifold/3.7 setup/4" CAI to see the difference. Ignore the peak numbers of the before graph, they are all spikes. Previous numbers were 270/227, now 272/235. Graph is below.
http://m32.photobucket.com/albumview....html?newest=1
http://m32.photobucket.com/albumview....html?newest=1
EDIT: here is sonnicks thread....with the SHAWD intake manifold + TB + port and polish + intake he put down 25-30whp and 20wtq....
am sure this setup is more than what some are willing to spend, but the intake is what we are talking about, $125 for 2WHP and 8WTQ seems doable atleast for me....
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/j30a5-dyno-me-855798/
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10-09-2013, 11:09 AM
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3" or 3.5" buddy....no DC....
you are very crafty with tools, you can cut it to size and have it/filter sit exactly where you want it
you are very crafty with tools, you can cut it to size and have it/filter sit exactly where you want it
10-09-2013, 11:11 AM
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Silly Anil, he's trolling you.
10-09-2013, 11:21 AM
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is he? 
I think at this point (after dyno gains etc), if anyone thinks spending $50 is justified for a filter and some $$$ for clamps but another another $50-70 for proven dyno gains, I dont know what to say
I like to insist to a good friend but that's where I stop
I think at this point (after dyno gains etc), if anyone thinks spending $50 is justified for a filter and some $$$ for clamps but another another $50-70 for proven dyno gains, I dont know what to say
I like to insist to a good friend but that's where I stop
10-09-2013, 11:23 AM
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He's not disagreeing with the gains of the big intake. And I'm pretty sure he won't be buying a DC Sports intake. Lol
But $130 is still $80 more then $50. And for some the stock look with better sound is what they want. Same thing as doing the stage mods.
But $130 is still $80 more then $50. And for some the stock look with better sound is what they want. Same thing as doing the stage mods.
10-09-2013, 11:29 AM
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^^^ i dont want him to buy a DC
I bet he will find a way to make this look nice....again, feels like you dont read and if you do, then you dont comprehend
I totally AGREE on the point if he wants to make it look like stock....I was just pointing out what he and you said about aftermarket not gaining anything or very little.....reread post 52
I bet he will find a way to make this look nice....again, feels like you dont read and if you do, then you dont comprehend
I totally AGREE on the point if he wants to make it look like stock....I was just pointing out what he and you said about aftermarket not gaining anything or very little.....reread post 52
10-09-2013, 11:32 AM
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Lol. We are all saying the same thing. I read, I certainly comprehend.
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now you did...12 posts later
we all usually say the same thing but we just word it differently and express it differently
we all usually say the same thing but we just word it differently and express it differently
10-09-2013, 12:41 PM
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I wasn't trolling.
How big is the tubing of the DC? Has to be 3", no? Do you have a coupon code for summit? It's $126 with free shipping. Honestly, I did resonator removal originally and this was just the natural progression when people told me that the K&N drop in wasn't the best filter and I should go dryflow and not oiled (might have been you).
My only point was that wasn't the point of THIS thread in particular. I'm not saying I won't get an intake if the price is right. I'd just prefer it be cost effective and I don't want to piece something together, I want something that comes made and shaped for our car.
How big is the tubing of the DC? Has to be 3", no? Do you have a coupon code for summit? It's $126 with free shipping. Honestly, I did resonator removal originally and this was just the natural progression when people told me that the K&N drop in wasn't the best filter and I should go dryflow and not oiled (might have been you).
My only point was that wasn't the point of THIS thread in particular. I'm not saying I won't get an intake if the price is right. I'd just prefer it be cost effective and I don't want to piece something together, I want something that comes made and shaped for our car.
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10-09-2013, 01:03 PM
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^^^ I should have measured when Matt got his....and he got his powdercoated and it looks like 'teh setcs' in the bay....
with DC sports/AEM/KNN, you are mainly paying for the filter and brand name....you sir are very right about the KNN drop in....I think it was backed up by IHC as well....since it "flows sooo well", it doesnt filter as well which is worse in the longer run....
just write an email to Summit or DC to ask about the diameter....
and no, no coupon codes for them I did inquire about it and they asked me to open a wholesale account to get stuff for cheap, I wasnt willing to pay out of my pocket to open an account.....
PS: since you are a perfectionist, the DC sports intake has a tiny filter, and that filter pushes against the inside of the bumper, which makes the bumper a little misaligned at a certain spot....so just be careful with that....also, since you already have a filter, just measure the ID on the inlet and order that diameter pipe, no? will make use of the filter and you will be able to raise the height of the filter AND you can paint/coat it to look like it belongs in the bay
with DC sports/AEM/KNN, you are mainly paying for the filter and brand name....you sir are very right about the KNN drop in....I think it was backed up by IHC as well....since it "flows sooo well", it doesnt filter as well which is worse in the longer run....
just write an email to Summit or DC to ask about the diameter....
and no, no coupon codes for them
I did inquire about it and they asked me to open a wholesale account to get stuff for cheap, I wasnt willing to pay out of my pocket to open an account.....PS: since you are a perfectionist, the DC sports intake has a tiny filter, and that filter pushes against the inside of the bumper, which makes the bumper a little misaligned at a certain spot....so just be careful with that....also, since you already have a filter, just measure the ID on the inlet and order that diameter pipe, no? will make use of the filter and you will be able to raise the height of the filter AND you can paint/coat it to look like it belongs in the bay
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^^^ if you have the TBS, install it....but dont go buying it.... 
10-09-2013, 01:56 PM
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If my NBPed AEM wasn't so sexy in the bay for resale purposes I'd just give it to you J.
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