Sondinh

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Would this mess up the VSA control?

omnuts

^guitarplayer16, Nice work on figuring out the illumination, now you're expert, hehe. Anyways you got it done before I could play around with it, I will try to make some time and get this done soon, just busy with house fixing lately.

guitarplayer16

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I have yet to try out the VSA control.

I'll see if anything happens, but I'm confident nothing should happen because all we're doing is "tapping" into the wire; nothing else.

Haha, thanks man.

Just did lots of researching for it =)

Hope the house fixing is going well

Sondinh

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After looking at the sketch that you drew for illuminating the Switch, I did noticed that the wiring color from my switch connector was not in the same order as yours. I just want to make sure I am splicing up the correct wire. Number 1 is red/black wire and Number 2 is red wire.


Thanks.

guitarplayer16

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Don't go with my wiring order LOL

It's not in the right order on my sketch, since I drew it by memory.

Just make sure you tap and connect the right coloured wires and you're good to go LOL.

tj2003_25

This thread was excellent. Following it i was able to install the fog light wiring in my 2005 tl and the interior still looks OEM

guitarplayer16

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Glad it worked out for you!

Please post some pictures =)

As for people wondering - My VSA Switch still works after I tapped the fog switch into it for illumination.

Sondinh

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If I tapped into the windshield wiper for power, and use a relay harness for the HIDs. How would the wire be looking. I was a little confuse because wouldn't the relay harness for the HIDs need to be connected to the car battery as well? So does this means I wouldn't need to tap it into the windshield wiper for power? Thanks.

guitarplayer16

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Yeah the relay harness should have instructions.
And yes they do plug right into the battery.

I'm not much of help for HIDs, but maybe some accord fog HID people can chime in.

I'll keep researching for you, though =)

24no7

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thanks a lot for making this thread and taking the time to explain how to accomplish this.
Btw i cut the cables 1 and 2 very short by accident




so i cant connect them to the VSA or even connect them back (how they were before). I will try to use a sauder later. Everything seems to be working ok so far and even the light of the switch comes on. Should i be worried? If there is nothing to worry about then i will not touch anything, i will leave it like that. thanks

guitarplayer16

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Hey man, always glad to help =)

When you say the light of the switch comes on, you mean the indicator, right?
The actual switch illumination comes on only if you tap the two red wires into the VSA, which you cut too short.
I wouldn't be worried; the only thing that's wrong is that your switch doesn't illuminate. No big deal unless it really bothers you.

Lets see some pictures!

24no7

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thanks for the reply.

The indicator light comes on when i push the switch - headlights must be on otherwise the foglights will not turn on. As i was reading your explanation, i came accross the switch illumination comes on only if i tap the two red wires into the VSA but i couldn't do it since i cut the cable too short but for some reason the indicator lights comes on whenever i push the switch. I was worried at first but again everything seems to be working fine. I've been thinking about going to honda to purchase a new switch harness lol

guitarplayer16

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No problem!

Yes, the indicator light works perfectly without any wiring "tricks"; it's powered by the trigger wire hence why the indicator light only comes on when your lights are on, that's how it works heheh.

Everything sounds perfectly fine with your install =)
(Except the illumination wires lol)

Looks like all you could do is solder the wires back together, or take out the two wires from their pins, and slot new wires in there (that's at least 6"!).

Btw, where did you tap your trigger wire (blue solid) into?

Cheers!

24no7

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OHHHHHHH i see now. I thought people were talking about the indicator light not working. I got a new switch harness and now everything works they way it should so thanks again for this DIY!!!

Sondinh

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So I got myself a relay harness for the HIDs. I was looking at it and questioned myself.


#1 is for ground
#2 is connected to where?
#3 is connect to car battery
#4 is for the HIDs



So if I am tapping into the windshield wiper for power by using the "add a fuse" method where would I connect #2 to? Thanks.

guitarplayer16

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No problem!
Very glad to hear =)

Okay, so here's how I believe they work -

First of all, I don't think you'll need your accord fog engine bay harness, just the interior harness.

Basically, you'll be using your own HID wiring harness instead of the accords harness. Think of the accord harness just being for the stock bulbs, and the hid relay harness for HIDs only.

So you want to hook up everything in the engine bay.
Connect the connectors to the ballasts, wire to the battery, etc.

Now when it comes to hooking it up to the interior harness, you want to extend the white wire into the interior through the firewall from connector #2, and connect it to the green wire from the switch harness inside.

Then you'll want to connect the solid blue wire from the switch harness to the green wiper motor wire.

How does it all work?

The Wiper motor wire will power the switch, which will power (through the green wire) into your connector #2, which brings power into your relay, the relay then gets direct power from the battery, which then goes through a fuse, then goes to the ballasts, which then lights up your bulbs.

WARNING: This is how I think it goes, but I'm not too sure.

Maybe you can find someone to confirm this.

guitarplayer16

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My mistake:

You will still need to wire the accord fog harness (in engine bay).

So you'll wire everything like I told you (blue solid in switch harness to green wire in wiper motor, black to ground, and green wire to accord harness through firewall).

Then connect the #2 connector into the stock connector of one of the bulbs from the accord fog harness.

I believe that should work.

Sondinh

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Anyone else with HIDs relay harness wants to chime in? Thanks.

24no7

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i wouldn't mind trying that, where can i get a hid harness?

guitarplayer16

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You should get the harness where you bought your HIDS

http://store.ijdmtoy.com/HID-Convers...adapter_04.htm

24no7

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i'm a little confused with your explanation. I was looking at the picture and looks like it is basically plug-n-play. I might be wrong so please feel free to correct me

#1 goes to the battery, negative terminal.

#2 connector goes into the stock connector of one of the bulbs from the accord fog harness, by doing this I would be able to turn on/off the HIDs with the accord switch, right? if this is true then there is no need to touch the accord switch harness.

#3 goes to the battery, possitive terminal.

#4 is for the HIDs.

Sondinh

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Are you going to tap into the parking light for power or the windshield wiper wire for for power?

guitarplayer16

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24no7 is correct, regardless if he tapped into the wiper motor wire or parking lights.

Just wire up your switch harness like I told you how ( tappin into wiper motor) wire.

Then add in the relay harness.
Think of the relay harness as an "extra" thing. You want to wire up your accord harness first.

24no7

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I will get power from the battery. (I don't think it is necessary to tap anything into the windshiel wiper)

guitarplayer16

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Sondinh wants his accord fogs to be independant, so he wants his "trigger" wire to be the wiper motor wire, opposed to the parking light wire.

24no7

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In that case then ya he should do that. thanks for the reply

Drewman752

Is a in-line fuse really needed?

Drewman752

fogs installed, thanks for the DIY for the wiring... As for fitment, i cut all the plastic behind the grills last month... JB Weld holds pretty damn good hahahah

guitarplayer16

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Yup, you always want to use an in-line fuse when drawing power from the battery directly.

If anything happens without a fuse, your whole car's wiring could fry. Blowing a fuse is a lot better than blowing your car's electrical lol

I'm glad my DIY was helpful to you!

Lets see some result pictures! =)

Drewman752

Ill get pics up soon, driver side aims a little down compared to the passenger side. Also when i get paid ill get a in-line fuse but for the time being there isnt a fuse so. Aint to worried about it.. Also the switch lights up without any other tinkering with.

guitarplayer16

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Cool cool!

The whole switch lights up? Or just the Indicator light?

Using my DIY, the whole switch doesn't illuminate.

Before (Just using my DIY)



After wiring to the VSA switch:

Drewman752

yea none of mine work so it really doesn't both me so. Just the indicator is good enough for me lol

guitarplayer16

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Get those bulbs replaced lol

Anywho, was my DIY for wiring easy to follow?
Need feeback lol

Drewman752

For me yes, i work on F-16's. Have re-wired i jet before haha. since you already had everything there i didnt have to look for a wiring diagram so.

NSXCessive

Currently installing my Accord fogs so far so good on my '05 TL. I'm surprised no one has just decided use the 6 pin factory accessory plug located inside the kick panel for the inside fog harness illumination. Every thing I've read so far is cutting, splicing VSA wires etc which is not required. The plug is conviently available, I also rewired the entire harness and decided to trigger them on using ignition instead of parking light trigger & removed the 2nd relay not being used on the TL anyway. I plan on connecting 3000k HIDs just waiting on them to show up to finish it off sometime this week

THTL

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more info on this please.

guitarplayer16

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+1

NSXCessive, thanks for the useful information =)

Never knew about the 6 pin accessory plug - all my research led up to tapping into the VSA wire, but both methods work mighty fine!

As for tapping into a wire that gets power when the car is on, did you tap into the wiper motor wire?

Yeah, the second relay isn't used; I threw mine in my storage bin somewhere lol

NSXCessive

Well I guess I should have taken pictures of what I did would make it easier for you guys to understand. You can refer to 2 pieces of documentation. The TL Service manual off the top of my head pages 22-65 to 22-67ish & the accord installation manual last page has the electrical schematic. See http://www.hondapartsnow.com/install...-light-kit.pdf

TL's in Canada are different because we have Daytime Running lights, and US cars should have a blank spot for Fog Lights. But I'm assuming yours is Canadian as well correct? The way I connected was in order to use the Fogs independent of the parking light switch. You can wire it so it will only work with the parking lights.

6-Pin is #19 (which leads to Terminal #4 & Fuse #10 in engine bay side) on interior fuse box located behind kick panel the spot in the fuse box is the 'Accessory Power Socket Relay Plug' the Accord has this as well but in a different spot. Because my car is Canadian Daytime Running light engine bay side Terminal #4 has a relay and Fuse #10 already has a 15Amp fuse in there, USA cars you might have to add a Fuse/Relay in the spot just outside and inside the Fuse box in the engine bay maybe someone with a US car can confirm that?

So with that info the Interior hooked up to switch is: RED/BLK (Parking light trigger used for aftermarket alarms etc) goes to 6-Pin accessory harness which I mentioned above to illuminate it. BLU on trigger I connected to the BLK/YELLOW. Since my car has a Viper autostart /alarm so we grabbed ignition trigger from there you can grab wherever you want. Some people grabbed power from the wipers or other accessories. It’s a small turn on current anyway so should have any problems using that to trigger the supplied Black relay from the Accord kit. RED + BLK were taken to ground, and green is the trigger going out to the accord relay in the engine bay. I ran a new wire into the engine bay thru the rubber grommet near the brake reservoir that connects to the GRN at the relay.

In the engine bay: I removed the 2nd relay and all wiring pertaining to it that relay uses WHT/GRN & RED/GRN. I removed the black electrical tape on the entire outside accord harness I pulled the grounds back thru the section of black loom conduit and tied the grounds back together cleaned and re-taped the entire harness similar to the way factory does it. I also took the engine bay hardness BLU/RED 20A fused to the same battery terminal you had used and BLK to a solid ground terminal anywhere, I used the one near my relocated supercharger battery ground. Ran a quick test with the normal halogen bulbs both sides work, switch illuminates with parking lights on, and also LED indicator lights to show Fogs one. When the HIDs show I will plug and play them straight in.

GldCrzy

so r u using the switch? im trying to wire mine right now without it since i looked at trying to fish the wire into the cabin ..but no go. having the clutch makes it hard to work around. if you did wire it without it what wires did you tap in to what to get them to turn on with the headlights?

NSXCessive

Not understanding your switch question... but yes I'm using the supplied switch from the Accord Fog kit. I'm not using the parking light switch to trigger the fog light switch on. But you can if you really want to, but my wiring listed above is only using 12V ignition is on will the switch work.

Yea my car is Auto so made it easy to pass wires just above the big 2inch rubber grommet where the other OEM wires pass thru the firewall. There is another grommet near the heater control valve which would be near the middle of the dash center console area you could use to pass wires through there. Makes life very easy to also remove the plastic trim covers under the steering wheel, and over the fuse box to make your connections and running wires easier.