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Now that you have gone through this process, in the future if you keep up on the maintenance of the paint, it will be easy to wash, polish and Z-6 your car. It should only take 25 minutes (sans you washing your car and the time needed to let the polish dry).
Zaino becomes deeper and deeper as you build coats, after the initial Zaino treatment, apply coats of polish and Z-6 Gloss Enhancer, one on top of the other. I did have a need to use Z-5 polish, when I found a few fine scratches on my new vehicle. It worked well. Last but not least, there is another little product I must tell you all about, it’s called “Brillianize” which was purchased at Tap Plastics in California for $4.25 for an 8 ounce spray bottle. This product was originally intended to clean computers and computer monitors. I use it on my Navi screen, interior, chrome bits, glass, clear plastic and rubber. You can even apply right to the paint of your car if you so desire, but not recommend for a Zaino car. I used it on my entire motorcycle and achieved a cleaner then new shine form this stuff. On plastic, you can builds coats and take dull plastics to a better than new appearance. |
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Vffr1,
Thanks for detailing this information. I just purchased the zaino kit and your info will be helpful. One thing though, in the product description #3 you state that : "Z-2 is intended for vehicles with clear-coats and Z-5 is intended for vehicles without clear-coats." It is acutally z-3 which is intended for vehicles without clear coats. It in effect replaces z-2 on non clear coated cars. At least that's how I understand it. You are right couldn't they just name the products or at least number them in the order you would use them. We shouldn't need classes on how to wash cars ;-) Matt |
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should be sticky
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Thanks for the information. I certainly have a better feeling about the Zaino process. I'm just waiting for my new car to arrive and have a nice weekend to start the Zaino treatment. After being a "wax" person for years, it's going to be a learning process to experiment with this stuff and see if I like it better than my Pinnacle wax I've used for years. I love the smell and feel of carnuba wax, but I'm looking forward to trying Zaino. Thanks for a very informative thread....GOOD JOB!....and I appreciate it.
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The Zaino Kit doesn't include Z-3 so I didn't include it in my write-up, but is a polish for regular paint. Z-5 is for both clear coat & regular paint too, with emphasizes on removing swirls. Z-3 is Z-2 for regular paint though. The post has been corrected, but I plan on using Z-5 on my regular non-clear coated vehicle, then switching to Z-2 as the swirls disappear. I checked with Zaino on this first.
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Re: Zaino Instructions 101, aka Zaino for Dummies and First Time Users
[quote]Originally posted by Vffr1
[b]Zaino Instructions 101 |
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What I have yet to see is someone do half of a panel with Zaino, and the other half with a quality competing product. Or one door panel with Zaino, and the door next to it with something else. THEN take photos of the reflections. Is there honestly a difference? Showing pictures of great reflections on a car doesn't mean anything. Yes, the cars are shiny, but so is any newish freshly-waxed car. Even before and after pictures don't mean anything, unless lighting is the same and wax freshness is equal with a competing brand. I've used Zaino, and followed instructions. I regard the results as similar to many other products. But I've only used it on lighter-colored cars (white and silver).
There are, however, differences in reflectivity between different products. They aren't all the same. CR proved that in their wax tests years ago. (One where I think NuFinish came out on top, and NuFinish has been using that result in their advertising for probably 10 years now). Some products actually decreased reflectivity over a non-waxed car. So I'm not saying it's impossible Zaino is the most reflective product out there. I just haven't seen any objective evidence of it. I've seen some quotes from "The Wax Test" or whatever, but that's about as unscientific as it gets in the methods they use. I also question the multiple coat thing. Some wax companies admit that you can't keep putting more coats on and have the wax get thicker. It just doesn't work that way. Once the surface is covered (actually filling in microscopic pits and depressions, not forming a true barrier or seal over everything) adding another coat won't add more wax (unless you don't buff it out!). It may be of help, though, because you won't get 100% coverage of the surface the first time. Meguiars site at least used to explain this and show drawings of what the wax does. I don't see that now, but they do say: "Are many coats of wax beneficial? Environmental conditions today do demand more frequent waxing to prevent costly damage to the outer layers of paint. However we don't recommend applying two or three coats of wax at one time. While there is some slight incremental protection with each application, you'll gain greater benefits by spreading the same number of applications over a longer period. " Here's the link, which has lots and lots of other info too: http://www.meguiars.com/fastrack/fastrack_browse.cfm (Oriented to their product, of course.) |
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Hybird,
Why don't you perform the side-by-side test as you mentioned and let us know what happens. Oh by the way you can call your thread, "Side-by-Side Zaino Test - Now I'm a Believer" Mike Smeezy
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As I said in my post, I HAVE used Zaino. Even multiple coats, and I did follow the correct procedures with the various products. Not bad results, of course, or even disappointing, but nothing unusual. I still have a small quantity left. I have even tried some simple side-by-side tests. No difference that I could see. No photos. I may have to work on that.
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the TL is a clear coat car right?
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how many times can you use one pack of clay bar for? do you have to use it every time you polish, and how many times should you polish a month.
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Polish your car as much as you'd like, I think you could reach a point of obbsession pretty quickly. I have two coats, and I plan on puting one more coat on next weekend, then I'll take it on a month-by-month basis. Mike Smeezy, PS. Yes, TL's have a clear coat.
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does anyone use a buffer machine when they wax?? if so what are some good ones?
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Quote:
Mike Smeezy
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Seems to me we need a Zaino training camp: "Hey Mayo, drop that Clay Bar and you'll be dropping for 50!"
Seriously, you've done some excellent, clear instructions Vffr1 and I might give it a try. Then again, I might just buy SSM as it seems to look good with most treatments. Kudos to you for your explanation, it demystifies a complex subject. In addition to some pics of wax versus Zaino on adjacent panels it would be helpful to see pics after a few months of washings. ![]() |
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this is a great po... vote for sticky!
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STICKY PLEASE
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is the clay bar necessary for the first time wash of your new car?
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A Few Points -
1. ZFX is not required - Before ZFX you had to use the Z-1 primer once or twice a year to provide "grip" for the polish to stick to the paint. However, ZFX not only acts as a primer, it cures the polymer faster so you can do more coats in one day. With Z-1 you had to wait at leasat 24 hours between coats, one reason car detailers were not able to offer the Zaino process. Please Note - You CANNOT apply the Zaino polish without using Z-1 or ZFX! It will not stick or cure properly! 2. Clay Bar - Lay a piece of Saran Wrap on your car, and run your finger over it. If you feel anything other than perfectly smooth, you will benifit from claying. It is recommended that you tear the clay bar in 2, so you have a backup in case you drop it. If you drop it, DO NOT use it - you will surely grind some grit into your paint. The clay bar can be used several times, you keep kneading it as you use it. Be sure to use lots of the supplied lube so that the clay doesn't stick to the paint. It should glide easily 3.
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3. Multiple Coats- This has little value with waxes, as the solvents in wax dissolve the previous layer as you put on a new one. The only benefit is covering spots you missed. With Zaino Polymer, each new layer adds to the previous one, so it continues to get smoother and shinier with each coat.
4. Buffers - Simply not needed, and it would WASTE a great deal of polish. Zaino is simple wiped on and wiped off. It takes me 15 min. to apply and 5 to dust off. However, if your paint needs a little work, it can hlep to use a "glaze" or "swirl mark remover" with a random orbital buffer to smooth the paint before polishing. ANY random buffer is OK, since you will hardly ever need it. 5. Side-by-side tests - MANY of these have been done, and Zaino always tops the list for the longest lasting shine and protection. 6. Towels - Be sure to use only 100% American-made Cotton towels. Other towels have polyester in them. The Poly is harder than your paint, and will cause minor scratches or "spider-webbing". I doubted this myself for a long time, but then noticed how the fine scratches appeared in dark finishes when using certain towels. I sorted out the "bad ones" and now have no more scratches! It is worth it to find some good Cannon towels on sale, and buy 3-4 JUST for the car. Don't use fabric softener, it coats the fibers.
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There was a test done of the leading "wax" products. here is the link.
http://www.gurureports.org/press/wax...2-release.html |
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Thanks!
Hey folks, I want to thank you for all of your support on this Thread. I'm glad you have found it to be helpful.
At this point, the topping on the cake will be for this Thread to become a sticky (just look at the stickys we have now). With as many questions that will continue to come up for Zaino, I feel a sticky will save 100's of future Threads as Zaino continues to become more and more popular. Sticky, Sticky, Sticky (come on everyone) Sticky, Sticky. Michael
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Gents:
One point that may not be apparent in the need to clay the vehicle, and the need to reduce the "hands-on" time. You may not realize that brake dust actually sticks into the paint. If you don't clay, your washing will cause swirl marks, scratches in the clear coat. Other particulates also don't easily come out in a hand wash. So, to be safe and nice to your beloved's clear coat - don't wash and wax as much as you'd like to! Twice ayear is adequate for wax. Use the do-it-yourself spray booth to avoid touching the paint/clear coat. Never, ever go into a public car wash, either one with those big swirling brushes or the ones where they swarm your car with towels. With both, you're asking for major scratches. You've got to do it yourself, spend the large amounts of quality time, and do it right.
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could i use any dishwashing liquid not specifically Dawn?
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Quick question: They say use 100% cotton towels. Got some from costco that are 92% cotton and 8% polyester. Will they be OK for use on the car?
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I think the point of getting an all cotton towel and then cutting off the outside binding is to ensure that no polyester or any other fabric besides cotton will touch the surface of your car. Anything else could be harmful and cause scratches as noted above. My take on it is, better safe and spend a few more dollars than be sorry....after all, you just spent $30K+ on a car and why skimp on the towels. |
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Great post (sticky?), but it sounds like a heck of amount of work. Isn't there some additive I can put in my gas tank that will make the car shine forever?
Seriously, what are we talking in terms of time from start to finish? An hour? |
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![]() Wash and dry, claybar, wash and dry, and three coats of Zaino w/ Z-6 in between took me, if I would have worked continually and not stopped for anything, approximately 4 hours. That's my best guess. |
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Is there a minimum air temperature required to use the Zaino products?
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click here for for the complete instructions on appling all zaino products. http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/...de=APPLICATION
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Again, this deserves to be sticky! Great Write UP!
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I Agree
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Mike Smeezy PS. Again, thanks for your support everyone
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Sticky, please...
BrandHdriver '04 TL Silver/Ebony/5AT/non-NAV Austin, TX
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great thread. just bought the kit yesturday and I am going to try it out on the first nice NY day....
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Re: Zaino Instructions 101
[quote]Originally posted by Vffr1
[b]Zaino Instructions 101 This thread is intended to compliment the numerous others threads that already instruct you on how to use the Zaino line of products... |
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Re: Zaino Instructions 101
[quote]Originally posted by Vffr1
[b]Zaino Instructions 101 This thread is intended to compliment the numerous others threads that already instruct you on how to use the Zaino line of products... Thanks for this info, it's great! |
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Does step 8 and on mean:
After applying the Z6 Gloss Enhancer for 30 mins.. then apply a second coat of polish (Z2 or Z5) for about 90 minutes... and then use the Z6 again for the final touch?
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