scrb09

So I hit the Big 20K on my 04 and decided to replace the Cabin Air Filter and I think it was a wonderful decision after looking @ the old Filter. Although the 3G Garage gave good info it did not have step by step instructions compiled in a thread so I decided to take pics during the procedure. One of the most simple things I had to do on the TL and saved me ~85 bucks as quoted by my dealer and took ONLY 20 - 25 minutes of my time.

I got the ATP filter from Rock Auto for $13.78 ($20 with shipping) All of ATP's cabin filters are charcoal activated. Bosch also has one but it is about $25 more then ATP. If you want to know more about difference between Particulate (stock and most aftermakets) and the charcoal activated (atp,bosch) you can go to http://www.boschusa.com/AutoParts/Filters/ and they have explained it. Basically the only difference is that the charcoal activated filter prevents odors.(3 layer design for the particulate filter whereas a 5 layer design for the charcoal activated)

you can buy it from: http://www.rockauto.com/ for $13.78
ATP Part # HA5
Category: Cabin Air Filter
Item Price: $13.78

edit by mod Ron A: (Apologies to scrb09 for jumping into his excellent thread) Posting this here in case someone doesn't read the whole thread. This is posted in Post #48 by AdamNJ:


Start with removing the 2 clips on the inside of the glove box.




I inserted a flat head screw-driver behind the clip and slowy popped the clip out.



After the 2 clips there is a small lever on the right hand side of the glove box that prevents it from falling down, detach that (I dont have a picture for this)Once these 3 things are out the glove box will fall out. Unscrew the two screws on the far left (marked in red in the picture below)




There are two push pins on the top of the glove box housing (the one on the right is marked in red in the picture below). Push the center hole in these pins to unlock them and pull them out. Once these pins are out slowly start pulling the housing from the right hand side. There are close to 10 clamp pins that will come out one by one.




Detach the two harnesses and the housing is off..




Push the two clips (marked in red) on the side of the air filter housing and pull it out.




The Old Filter with 20K around 12 K hwy and 8K city driving.



Reverse the procedure and enjoy some fresh clean AIR

dsc888

Thanks man! That was am amazing DIY tuturial! I hope it will be included in either the Garage section or as a sticky. I am almost at 20K myself and you just saved me some hard earned cash. Did you notice an improved air flow and cleaner smelling air with the new filter? Thanks.

dsc8888

trancemission

cool.....I was wondering if it was similar to the CL. Thanks scrb...........

05TLTony

Nice! thanks!

Ron A

Great thread. Thanks very much for posting this.

Added to 3G Garage.

The thing on the right side that keeps the door from falling is easier to get loose than I thought. I was a little worried about it, but then I looked closely at it and there is a rounded area with grooves, so you just push on that and the lever will detach, allowing the door to be opened fully.

The second thing I was worried about was the two clips on the inside of the box, but your picture made it very clear how to detach them.

rbf351

just a FYI, the 05 TL does not have those 2 black clips holding the box up that you have pictured here



also you do not need to remove the glove box to do this, you could have left it attached, and let it hang down

cM3go

Perfect timing, I'm doing this today

mxtt

Good suggestion as repeated removal of those two screws will definitely eat up the plastics around them and make the glove box rattle.

These pictures are great!

trancemission

cool thanks for the update rbf...

scrb09

I did noticed the air flow being a bit improved and a bit less noisy (maybe because the the fan is running @ one lower speed to throw the same amount of air) and It would just make sense looking @ the old filter...the picture does not do full justice of how dirty the filter was, there were dry leaves and opening up the filter slots there was a whole bunch of dirt in it.

I did notice the air being a bit crisp and fresh with a new type of smell...I went with the carbon activated filter so there was a different smell to it.

badboy

Great DIY.

I will try this the coming weekend. Will order the part today.

Thanks.

caball88

thanks for the write up i had been putting this off for a while now and its time for me to change the filter.

GRich4u

I looked up the part and got this:

WIX Part # 24815
{Cabin Air Filter} $12.77

ATP Part # HA5
{Vent Filter} $14.05

Im thinking its the (vent Filter) based on part number. Hmm is there a difference between the two?

scrb09

They are both Cabin Filters.

ATP's cabin filters are charcoal activated. Wix is Particulate. The difference is that the charcoal activated filter prevents odors. 3 layer design for the particulate filter whereas a 5 layer design for the charcoal activated.

So for $1.28 more you go with ATP and get a better filter

You can go to http://www.boschusa.com/AutoParts/Filters/ and they have explained the difference between the 2 types.

Oakroadsteve

I paid $50.00 labor to have mine replaced on my CL. Nice work!!!

It did not eliminate the chemical odor that pervades the interior of my car when left out in the sun though.

I lysoled the intake ducts and cleaned the carpeting which worked for a couple of weeks and then boom the smell was back.

It smells like two robots spent their honeymoon in my back seat.

Any suggestions on what it could be. The stealership was no help at all of course.

tmitch2315

Did mine this weekend with the ATP HA-5. Went smoothly but a little scary pulling the plastic off behind glove box. It went right back into place. Next time I will leave the dash hanging - good idea to not take those screws off.

My filter was toast after 21,000 miles. Could not believe all the stuff in there. Air must come directly from the vents in front of the windshield so leaves, dead bugs, whatever ends up right in the filter.

I'm now ready to attack my wifes SL which is 2 screws and 2 clips right under the hood!

VERY well done thread.

need4spd

not to get off topic too far, but some 04 TL's had an issue of water getting in under the back seat, that may be your problem (in salt states, the salt started showing on the seat belts as the water traveled up the nylon, salt with it).

moeronn

Great post. I need to take care of this, as I'm already approaching 30k miles. Dealer wanted about 140 installed.

dsc888

Thanks for the info. I have since gone ahead and ordered the replacement filter myself and will make it my next weekend project. I do about 90% city driving so I am sure mine will look filthy when I get it out. Thanks for the awesome write up.

dsc888

scrb09

I agree that you do not need to completely remove the glove box (you can leave it hanging) but I was just concerned with one more thing to worry about while I was trying to remove the clips for the glove box housing, more chances to break the clips since the glove box is pretty heavy...

Also it would be a pain to pull the housing while the glove box is hanging, I think that would have more chances of eating up the plastic around it. I would rather just have it out of the way.

But you guys are correct, If you are comfortable with pulling the housing while the glove box is hanging, then there is no compulsion of removing it.

badboy

Here are some pics of my installation. The original poster saved me some $$.
The entire job took me about 30 mins, thats cause I was taking my time.
The scariest part was when pulling the glove box holder out of its place. There are about 10 clips, but you don't know when they will pop out. I was hoping I didn't break anything. The whole assembly went back in pretty easy. I'll find out tomorrow morning if there are any rattles that I started.

pbadia

I am very impressed with the pix and the way you show how to replace the filter for the A/C

Ron A

Thanks to all for making this thread so informative and easy to read.

I'm sure a lot of people will do it themselves as a result of this thread and a few others like it being posted here and in the 3G Garage

Kandyman

So I got myself an ATP filter, took my laptop out to the car, and started following this DYI. Took out the glove box quite easily and it was time to take off the housing. Looked for the two push pins described in the DYI, and gues what - they are not there!!!!



Anyone seen this before? How do I get the housing off now?

Ron A

Post #6 in this thread tells you where they went and what to do next.

You can also check out the other threads in the 3G Garage.

F-130: DIY: Replacing Cabin Air Dust & Pollen Filter

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87494
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108345
https://acurazine.com/forums/ramblings-12/best-place-buy-snowboarding-pants-jackets-122290/

TBone2004

Wow - so different than my '02. At least it looks like I do not have to cut anything away like on the '02 you had to snip a panel open to get in there. Are these 10 pins wrecked after you pull them out? - ya know how sometimes they are one-timers?

Anyone buy the filter from Acura - or know how much it is?
Looks like only one filter too - is that correct? The '02s had two. Cool - more savings!

Thanks for all the pics and instructions. That is how I did the '02 (from pics on this site) and since I have 27k+ all highway I bet my '04 is a mess.

Thanks.

TBone2004

wow - one month later and the price of these things has already gone up - now they are $14.05 before shipping.... must be the increased number of them being purchased as a result of this thread

chas22

Kandyman I don't have the push pins on my o4 TL. If you get a mirror and flashlight you can see the clips. You just have to give a hard tug and the clips will release. It's a little scary the first time, but it will come loose. I believe screws would have been better because after the filter gets changed out a few times I bet it starts to rattle.

TBone2004

Guys -

I try not to run around too much and say this car is this or this car is that...but when something is simply dumb - not poor - but dumb design, I gotta say something. The lack of accessibitlity to a part of the car that requires regular maintenance - is really absurd.

I did this DIY over the weekend and I also do not have the push pins things on my '04 - weird how some do and some don't. I took the advice here and just pulled and eventually the clips gave way - without breaking, which was a bonus.

Man, this car has never been in for glove box rattles, but you should see all the rigging inside there!! A couple clips had black felt all around them, one was covered in white grease - also saw that the two screws that hold the glove box door on - one was silver with a spacer washer (probably cause it was longer) and the other one was black...totally rigged!! It has never rattled so I guess I do not care - but anyway - seeing all this and the potential for wearing or braking these clips or screw holes from repeated removals and the fact my filter was sooo filthy after only 1.5 years (28k miles) complete with two dead flies (least they had each other in the end)....I decided to make this a one time dash disassembly.

After taking out the piece behind the glove box, much to the delight of my 3 year old - I whipped out a jig saw and simply cut a nice rectangle in the back of that housing. (If I heard one more time "why you cutting your car apart Daddy" - I thought I was gonna lose it!)

I had to cut a pretty wide rectangle and was nervous about cutting all the way to the right for fear that there would be lack of support or rattles, but neither was an issue and I put it all back together and now when I change my filter in the future, all I need to do is un-clip the two stoppers in the actual glove box, disconnect the plastic arm on r-side of box and lower the box down out of the way - not having to unscrew glove box door or take apart the lower dash etc. Filter is easily accessible now - the way Acura should have done it in the beginning. Drove to work today - no new rattles etc.

I recommend this to anyone who will be doing frequent filter changes - it will make my next filter change take approximately 3 minutes.

Lore

Pictures?!

Kandyman

Wow! I thought I was the only one with a washer on just one screw (on the right side). Both of my screws were equal length though. I had always wondered why my glove box never seemed properly alinged with the rest of the dash until I saw this lone washer. I was afraid taking out the washer will cause rattles, but so far, nothing.

TBone2004

I know, I know - I wasn't 100% sure how this one was gonna turn out - ya know that sweaty feeling you get like Oh crap - should I have done this?! I took a couple pics at the end. It worked sweet. I found a couple on the camera....sorry its all I got.


No filter in yet....



With filter hanging out....

Lore

Price of the ATP filter is now $14.43! Might be worth it to buy one or two extras and stock up to save on shipping!

SouthernBoy

I did mine last March, using the Acura Service Manual, and frankly I found this task to be a royal pain in the ass.. as in BIG TIME.

While Acura (Honda?) may have done some good things in the design of the TL, this is one area where they failed horribly. It took me about an hour to do the job, mostly out of fear of breaking something while removing the glove compartment housing to get to the filter door. I just does not feel "right" to be having to pull that housing out. A much better design would have been to have an "outter" access panel in the housing, that would be fully accessable once the glove box has been dropped down. You then remove that panel to expose the filter door itself to change the filter.

I know that some Acura technicians are cutting just such an access opening in the housing the first time a customer comes in for this filter change. Then the next time, the job is so much easier.

Just my thoughts on this topic. I really think Acura dropped the ball on this one. I've had three other cars with in-cabin filters (1996 Contour SE, 2000 SVT Contour, and a 2002 Altima SE) and all of those had design far superior than our TL's in this department. This is not rocket science.

Sorry for the bashing, but really, this is a pain in the butt task.

SouthernBoy

Hey TBone... see my post. I couldn't agree more with you. An exceedingly poor design for sure.

As for the pushpins; earlier model year '04's did not have them. My '04 was built in July of '04 and does have them.

There are two ways in which Acura could have made this job a hell of a lot easier. One I outlined in my post - a removable panel (or door) in the housing to allow access to the filter door. The other way would be to have the housing removable much like the glove box. That is, you remove the glove box, then remove perhaps a series of clips or screws (preferred) to remove the housing itself to expose the filter housing and door. Either way would be one heck of a lot better than what they came up with. "Gee, let's see how dumb we can make this to really frustrate the techs and backyard mechanic customers".

KJSmitty

TBone,
Could one cut that access hole without taking the entire box out of the car first??

IE just remove the glove box door or let it hang down then dremel out the access hole??

Definitely looks like a pain in the arse...

Thanks.

SouthernBoy

Sorry to highjack your post, but this would be difficult. I would recommend a box cutter or something similar, then very carefully start cutting. I'm still not sure I'm going to do this the next time I change my in-cabin filter, but I sure swore I would last March when I changed it for the first time.

Doing what TBone did makes the job perhaps a 10 minute task.. and simple at that.

TBone2004

There might be enough clearance - especially for a dremel - keep it shallow and I bet you could do it. But there are some wires back there so it may not be worth the risk. I pulled my dash apart as per the instructions in this thread and nothing broke or cracked - but there was no way I was doing that on a regular basis. Its funny what designs/features are kept from year to year and which ones are completely re-done. On my wife's '02 TL, there was a little plastic "hatch" that you had to snip out with some pliers to get to the filter and then re-use this plate as the cover. At the time I thought that was really dumb, but now seeing what they did in the 2004, I did not realize how good we had it.
Smitty, I bet you could do it - lay on your back and put your head under the dash and shine up with a light - you will get a good look as to what is behind there and how much clearance you have.

KJSmitty

Thanks TBone/SouthernBoy,
I'm sure my filter needs replaced and even though confident I could perform the entire/"book" procedure, the less one has to take apart the better. Especially when we all know the filter will have to be replaced again and again..

Like SouthernBoy, I am hesitant to go chopping/cutting up structure under the dash... But given the issue it definitely "is" something that should have been designed in to begin with... Like you said T, I'll look under the dash and ensure I won't damage anything behind the panel. I will probably try to slide a shield of sorts up in their prior to any "dremeling".

Thanks men/all for the words of wisdom / posting your filter changing experience/techniques.

Cheers

nfnsquared

Ron A, FYI that doesn't answer his (and my) question. We're asking about the push-pins on the housing, not the clips inside the glovebox. Does anyone have a service manual scan for the removal of the housing in an '04?

For anyone with an '04 (at least an early model vin#, i.e 10,xxx), as Kandyman says, there are no push pins on the housing. I tried pulling on the housing as suggested by Chas22, but was afraid that something was about to break/rip/tear.

Wasn't really an issue for me because out came Mr. Dremel (with flexi-shaft drive) and 60 seconds later, using TBone2004's picture in post# 32 of this thread as a guide, the filter housing was exposed. Next time I have to replace the filter, it's a 5 minute job. Great job TBone! There is a wire bundle about 1/2 - 1" to the left of the left most vertical cut. Be careful of that.

One more thing. It looked to me like the glove box does have to be removed to get the housing off. Looked like those 2 screws go right through the housing.