Poll: Who Wins 550i vs 02 TLS?

RUF87 · 12-22-2008, 5:35 PM

Poll: 550i vs 02 TLS

I typically don't car for the standard "who would win" questions as most are trying to get some comfort that they'd win before they run someone.

This is not one of those cases, those that have been around know that I like a challenge and will run just about anything . . . even when I know I'll get smoked just so I can see what they can do.

Anyway, this is a poll to see who really knows what these cars are capable of, or a clouded by trade rag press and stats of who's got more HP and such. I'll post results next week.

Since no one knows whom you voted for there's no reason not to vote.

Here are my mods to help with the outcome.

02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH
(**before headers, CAT, IMMs & BBTBs and tranny #3)
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF -
P225/45ZR-17 Bridgestone RE960 AS
(used Ziex 512s track only)
CT Icebox, RamAir, Sways & Springs
3nd Gen Innovative Motor Mounts
BBTBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
Ceramic Coated XS Headers & Random-Tech CAT
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil
Tranny #3 Installed 11.17.2008

Ruf

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ifirahse · 12-22-2008, 6:25 PM

Is this a serious thread?

550i will smoke you.

phee · 12-22-2008, 6:41 PM

OT how do you like the motor mounts?

RUF87 · 12-22-2008, 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ifirahse

Is this a serious thread?

550i will smoke you.

Yes . . this is very serious.

Ruf

RUF87 · 12-22-2008, 7:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phee

OT how do you like the motor mounts?

Well . . . you need to check out the Motor Mounts thread for details.

In short, they really improve the performance and would be a must have for serious modders.

The downside is that we are still having issues with reliability and excessive vibrations with the rear mount. The 3rd gen front is doing well . . . but don't do anything with out PMing me first.

Ruf

jeowen · 12-22-2008, 7:06 PM

RUF- I admire you entertaining the idea of takin on the 550i- I just hope you dont have any $$$ involved.-Keep us updated and good luck man, you do have an impressive list of mods...but it is a 550

Sonnick · 12-22-2008, 7:09 PM

With no intentions of being an ass...you will get smoked, end of story.

inyong1988 · 12-22-2008, 8:16 PM

stock 550i can walk on basic bolt on tls.

RUF87 · 12-22-2008, 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inyong1988

stock 550i can walk on basic bolt on tls.

Okay, a bit more info then . . the intake mods are more than just an Icebox.
I also have:

- RamAir
- Entire intake from Icebox to intake have been modified.
- the intake has also been slightly modded.

Ruf

pohljm · 12-22-2008, 10:41 PM

torque wins you lose

princelybug · 12-22-2008, 11:41 PM

I'm going with the Bimmer on this one.

SLushhYYY · 12-22-2008, 11:53 PM

Unless the driver of the 550i is dead....you will lose

RUF87 · 12-23-2008, 1:17 AM

What . . . only 1 person is going with me . . . I'm getting much more love from the CL bretheren than from my TL bretheren . . .

Ruf

I hate cars · 12-23-2008, 1:18 AM

A 14.5@96mph vs a 14.0@100mph. Sounds like the Bimmer will win by about 5 carlengths.

If your times are before the TBs, cats, and headers, you definately have a fighting chance. Throw some tire on there and you will probably hurt his feelings.

I do find it funny how posters on here act as if the 550 is a 12 second car. It's about as fast as a stock 6mt TL-S.

Has this race happened already?

iforyou · 12-23-2008, 2:09 AM

From Car and Driver,

"The 550i does not suffer from a power shortage. With a 0-to-60 time of 5.2 seconds and a quarter-mile run of 13.7 at 104 mph"

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-4.html

CJ0920 · 12-23-2008, 2:10 AM

Are you serious...550? Dewd..pick a better fight...Lexis IS300!

zen68 · 12-23-2008, 2:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I hate cars

A 14.5@96mph vs a 14.0@100mph. Sounds like the Bimmer will win by about 5 carlengths.

The 550i is a high to low 13s car depends on the driver. I won't even mention the numbers from various magazines. Guys on e60 forum consistently get low 13s, below is one of the best times.

http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=63906

The member (grogan545) is a very experienced driver so it definitely helps.

Quote:

Originally Posted by I hate cars

I do find it funny how posters on here act as if the 550 is a 12 second car. It's about as fast as a stock 6mt TL-S.

You're kidding, right? I raced my friend '08 6-speed TL-S and practically raped him. Granted my car is not stock but I doubt the result would be much different with a stock car.

ifirahse · 12-23-2008, 7:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I hate cars

A 14.5@96mph vs a 14.0@100mph. Sounds like the Bimmer will win by about 5 carlengths.

If your times are before the TBs, cats, and headers, you definately have a fighting chance. Throw some tire on there and you will probably hurt his feelings.

I do find it funny how posters on here act as if the 550 is a 12 second car. It's about as fast as a stock 6mt TL-S.

Has this race happened already?

Maybe you're confusing it with the older (and slower) 545i. 550i is VERY fast for what it is. I'd say a stock 550i can take a fully bolted 6MT TL-S...easy.

Torque+RWD=Win.

**F23A4** · 12-23-2008, 9:09 AM

Having driven both the 545i and 550i, both will make short work of the 02-03 TL-S, as the only bolt ons that would make it competetive with the latter is a supercharger. Non-FI bolt ons will only serve to lessen the margin of victory (slightly) for the 550i.

(Sidenote: An 07-08 TL-S 6MT would make for an interesting race with the 545i though.)

pmptx · 12-23-2008, 9:12 AM

Mark,
I have run you (you kicked my @$$), but I give it to the 550.
I think he has the TQ and cylinders to beat you.
You are one of the quickes NA 2nd gens out there, but I think it is a mismatch.
Sorry man.

I hate cars · 12-23-2008, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zen68

The 550i is a high to low 13s car depends on the driver. I won't even mention the numbers from various magazines. Guys on e60 forum consistently get low 13s, below is one of the best times.

http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=63906

The member (grogan545) is a very experienced driver so it definitely helps.

You're kidding, right? I raced my friend '08 6-speed TL-S and practically raped him. Granted my car is not stock but I doubt the result would be much different with a stock car.

I googled the 1/4 times and looked at the first hit that came up which was 14.0@100mph. I'm not familiar with these cars because I only keep up with what could be a potential good race for my GN. I don't race the TL.

You do say it ranges from high to low 13s so 14.0 would be on the slow end but entirely possible. With the better trap speeds of 105mph as stated, I doubt low 13s is normal on street tire.

RUF87 · 12-23-2008, 3:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I hate cars

A 14.5@96mph vs a 14.0@100mph.

If your times are before the TBs, cats, and headers, you definately have a fighting chance. Throw some tire on there and you will probably hurt his feelings.

Has this race happened already?

My times are before all those mods

I've been dying to get to the track and get some actually results. All I can say is it's much faster . .

I've already beaten some cars that I would have thought are technically faster, but lost because of drive skills. Case in point, I've already beat a guy in his Dodge Hemi Daytona and embarassed a 3G TL and easily pulled on a 330i. So one might think that my TLS will post faster times at the track, but that's not necessarily so. Let's say my run with the 550i is a win or close, it would be foolish to say that my TLS is mid 13sec car . . . I've always contended that any car within a 1sec or less of my time is fair game and a drivers race.

. . . and has the race already happened . . . ah

yes. I'll post the results after a few more get to place their bets. I still can't belive that so few on the TL side have so little faith.

Ruf

Sonnick · 12-23-2008, 4:01 PM

By the "sound" of your post (context, can't hear it lol), it seemed you put up a good fight or possibly even won. If this is the case,

and I'm shocked because those cars have buttloads more power AND are RWD.

Since you're on "tranny #3" it's safe to say you are auto. Given the long gears of the auto in the TL-s, I still have a hard time seeing a chance for you, especially given your trap speed. A 10mph difference in trap speed is HUGE. And even though that was before your TB (throttle body?), headers, and random technology cat, those mods will not give you 10mph or even close to it..even though I know headers do a lot for that car.

I'm not bashing your car I particularly like the 2nd gen TL-s, I think it's very sexy..either way let us know the results!

You are one of the few that has asked a "who would win" question and actually has an answer! I was gonna make a thread too of my car vs. a 192whp gsr but I figured I'd just find out myself..

Age: 48...and still love the car and race. Thumbs up to that!

**fsttyms1** · 12-23-2008, 5:45 PM

Gotta love those that are paper racing. Real world is much different than what some magazine and the average driver usually do. Ive run with cars that should pull me but didnt.

It will be closer than some make it out to be but i think the 550 will edge out.

I hate cars · 12-23-2008, 5:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fsttyms1

It will be closer than some make it out to be but i think the 550 will edge out.

My thoughts too.

zen68 · 12-23-2008, 6:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUF87

I've already beaten some cars that I would have thought are technically faster, but lost because of drive skills. Case in point, I've already beat a guy in his Dodge Hemi Daytona and embarassed a 3G TL and easily pulled on a 330i. So one might think that my TLS will post faster times at the track, but that's not necessarily so. Let's say my run with the 550i is a win or close, it would be foolish to say that my TLS is mid 13sec car . . . I've always contended that any car within a 1sec or less of my time is fair game and a drivers race.

. . . and has the race already happened . . . ah

yes. I'll post the results after a few more get to place their bets. I still can't belive that so few on the TL side have so little faith.

Ruf

Sorry for hurting you feeling

.

However, based on your original post "this is a poll to see who really knows what these cars are capable of, or a clouded by trade rag press and stats of who's got more HP and such.", the key word "these cars are capable of" doesn't merit a driver's race.

I always say that anything is possible in a street race since reaction time is critical. I definitely give you

for trying, win or lose.

iforyou · 12-23-2008, 7:03 PM

damn it post the results already hahaha...i guess the bottom line is, we all know the 550i should win theoretically but in the real world anything can happen..and it seems like you won!

RUF87 · 12-23-2008, 7:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zen68

Sorry for hurting you feeling

.

However, based on your original post "this is a poll to see who really knows what these cars are capable of, or a clouded by trade rag press and stats of who's got more HP and such.", the key word "these cars are capable of" doesn't merit a driver's race.

I always say that anything is possible in a street race since reaction time is critical. I definitely give you

for trying, win or lose.

No hurt feelings . .

In regard to the "capable of", I should have made it more clear that the reference is to what our cars/engines are capable of achieving NA without needing a S/C, Turbo or NOS.

I've got more than bolt on mods, but it's all NA. I just don't know what those mods would show on a dyno. If cash becomes a non issue I'll do one as I'm really interested in finding out what it's putting out.

Ruf

zen68 · 12-23-2008, 7:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I hate cars

I googled the 1/4 times and looked at the first hit that came up which was 14.0@100mph. I'm not familiar with these cars because I only keep up with what could be a potential good race for my GN. I don't race the TL.

You do say it ranges from high to low 13s so 14.0 would be on the slow end but entirely possible. With the better trap speeds of 105mph as stated, I doubt low 13s is normal on street tire.

14 sec is certainly possible. The guys that get the best time are the ones who master the optimum rpm for the launch and shift point (so the rev limiter doesn't kick in). My point is you used the 550i's slowest time for comparison.

Of course your GN is on a different league. A friend of mine drag race as a hobby (Capital Speedway in Maryland). I've seen him run 1/4 mile in 11.x sec in his GN

**F23A4** · 12-23-2008, 7:13 PM

Though its not exactly a modded TL-S vs 550i comparison, this modded 02 Maxima SE 6MT vs 545i comparison might lend a little perspective

:

LINK

BMW clearly designed the E60 with unrestricted portions of the Autobahn in mind.

I hate cars · 12-23-2008, 8:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zen68

14 sec is certainly possible. The guys that get the best time are the ones who master the optimum rpm for the launch and shift point (so the rev limiter doesn't kick in). My point is you used the 550i's slowest time for comparison.

Of course your GN is on a different league. A friend of mine drag race as a hobby (Capital Speedway in Maryland). I've seen him run 1/4 mile in 11.x sec in his GN

Sorry about that. I just picked the first time I saw. Should've done some more digging.

paul_huryk · 12-23-2008, 8:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUF87

I've always contended that any car within a 1sec or less of my time is fair game and a drivers race.

Ruf

A 1 second difference is a 6 to 7 car difference, more or less a thorough beating...

I hate cars · 12-23-2008, 8:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul_huryk

A 1 second difference is a 6 to 7 car difference, more or less a thorough beating...

And it gets much worse as the times get faster.

ballinfizzle89 · 12-23-2008, 9:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUF87

Okay, a bit more info then . . the intake mods are more than just an Icebox.
I also have:

- RamAir
- Entire intake from Icebox to intake have been modified.
- the intake has also been slightly modded.

Ruf

Oh wow, that right there must give you like 50whp.

1 vote for the TL-S...wonder whose that is

RUF87 · 12-24-2008, 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul_huryk

A 1 second difference is a 6 to 7 car difference, more or less a thorough beating...

Dude . . . seriously . . 1 second is not 6 or 7 car lengths . . . I know that for a fact as I've been drag racing for over 30yrs. I was beaten recently by a 69 Camero SS that was running high 12s and I ran a 14.5 and lost by about 4-5 car lengths.

Ruf

RUF87 · 12-24-2008, 4:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I hate cars

And it gets much worse as the times get faster.

Yes it does, but at 13-14s it's still not 6-7 car lengths.

Ruf

RUF87 · 12-24-2008, 4:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballinfizzle89

Oh wow, that right there must give you like 50whp.

1 vote for the TL-S...wonder whose that is

Niave wipper snapper . . . you have no experience or a clue on these matters so don't be disrespectful . . you might learn something.

It seems that the CL guys are more in tune.

6 - 550i
4 - TLS
1 - too close

Ruf

iforyou · 12-24-2008, 6:42 PM

I think the reason why the CL guys are "more in tune" is because they seem to be better than us. Just look at their 1/4 mile thread, all of them are very good times and a lot of them are running 13's with basic mods, even with the 5AT.

RUF87 · 12-27-2008, 1:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iforyou

I think the reason why the CL guys are "more in tune" is because they seem to be better than us. Just look at their 1/4 mile thread, all of them are very good times and a lot of them are running 13's with basic mods, even with the 5AT.

Yeah, and not 100% sure why as the 2 cars are virtually equal. It might be that as a whole there are more modders and racers. I'd guess most would want a 2dr/coupe/sportier vs 4dr/sedan/family car.

I know there are some serious modders on the TL side, but I tend to spend more time posting over there.

Anyway, I've got some results to post tomorrow.

Ruf

iforyou · 12-27-2008, 3:02 AM

yaaa.

will you post vids too?

View Poll Results: Who Wins? 550i or Moded 02TLS?
i550 Wins	55	87.30%
02TLS Wins	5	7.94%
Too Close to Call	3	4.76%
Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

12-22-2008, 7:09 PM	#7
Sonnick 6MT p0w@hh Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Long Island Age: 23 Posts: 508	With no intentions of being an ass...you will get smoked, end of story. __________________ 2006 SSM Accord 6MT Coupe { Fujita CAI } { RV6 Jpipe/test pipe } { OBX catback } {PC Deletes} { S-techs } 14.04 @99.71 (CAI/Jpipe) < best trap 100.82 >

12-22-2008, 11:41 PM	#11
princelybug THE LIST/RAMEN MAHSTA 짱 2007 Acura TL Trader Rating: (12) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Buena Park, Cali. Age: 33 Posts: 10,209	I'm going with the Bimmer on this one. __________________ '07 NBP TL Type-S 6MT Click --> "From a Lifesaver to a Soulsaver" Click --> Mods List EPIC THREAD - Azine Love

12-22-2008, 11:53 PM	#12
SLushhYYY Keep It Simple in Trader Rating: (5) Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Diego, California Age: 17 Posts: 1,823	Unless the driver of the 550i is dead....you will lose __________________ 2000 Acura TL 3.2 JP CurtainsJP NeckpadsPA SystemMoogen RepHonda Access VisorsOEM LIP KITAEM CAITsudo AxleBack ExhaustUR Crank PulleyTB/IM SpacersFunction&Form Type 102-03 TailsCustom GrilleDe-Badged35% tint all around*Reverse glow guages

12-23-2008, 1:18 AM	#14
I hate cars Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Age: 33 Posts: 6,370	A 14.5@96mph vs a 14.0@100mph. Sounds like the Bimmer will win by about 5 carlengths. If your times are before the TBs, cats, and headers, you definately have a fighting chance. Throw some tire on there and you will probably hurt his feelings. I do find it funny how posters on here act as if the 550 is a 12 second car. It's about as fast as a stock 6mt TL-S. Has this race happened already? __________________ 06 TL daily driver. Image dynamics CTX65CS/2-JL 12W6s ghettobandpassported through the armrest/6 channel JL amp/255/40/17 Nitto NT05/Koni Yellows/Progress RSB/H&R28mmFSB/A-spec springs/External trans cooler and filter/ Gutted 3rd cat/Redline 30wt/210hp183lbs tq 84 Buick GN 4.2L 602hp 620lbs Stock bottom end,heads,intake,throttlebody, headers,and a big hairdryer. 10.60@126mph "Just a V6"

12-22-2008, 6:25 PM	#2
ifirahse SlammedOnKonis 2008 Acura TL Trader Rating: (3) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: L.A. Posts: 2,877	Is this a serious thread? 550i will smoke you.

12-22-2008, 7:06 PM	#6
jeowen Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: GSO, NC Age: 29 Posts: 1,157	RUF- I admire you entertaining the idea of takin on the 550i- I just hope you dont have any $$$ involved.-Keep us updated and good luck man, you do have an impressive list of mods...but it is a 550

12-22-2008, 8:16 PM	#8
inyong1988 Banned Trader Rating: (2) Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Nova Posts: 606	stock 550i can walk on basic bolt on tls.

12-22-2008, 10:41 PM	#10
pohljm Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,196	torque wins you lose

12-23-2008, 1:17 AM	#13
RUF87 Lead Footed Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2001 Location: Plano - Texas Age: 49 Posts: 5,185	What . . . only 1 person is going with me . . . I'm getting much more love from the CL bretheren than from my TL bretheren . . . Ruf

12-23-2008, 2:09 AM	#15
iforyou You'll Never Walk Alone Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Age: 23 Posts: 4,860	From Car and Driver, "The 550i does not suffer from a power shortage. With a 0-to-60 time of 5.2 seconds and a quarter-mile run of 13.7 at 104 mph" http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-4.html __________________ 02 WDP 3.2TL-S Mods:: Inspire Conversion, K&N Air Filter, Eibach Sway Bars, Neuspeed Chrome Strut Bar, OEM lip kit, Blackout headlights, Nokya Yellow Fogs, Intake Resonator removed, Interior LED lights Wish list:: CAI, Headers, Pulleys, Exhaust, Spacers, 18" bronze Volk TE37's "Dream" list:: Comptech Supercharger kit or custom turbo kit

12-23-2008, 2:10 AM	#16
CJ0920 Registered Member 2004 Acura TL Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Manassas,VA/Montville,NJ Age: 25 Posts: 439	Are you serious...550? Dewd..pick a better fight...Lexis IS300! __________________ '89 Bronco-sold '90 Mustang-wrecked and sold '89 Suzuki Katana 600-sold '94 Integra gsr-sold '92 Civic HB shell-sold '93 Civic DX-sold '90 Volvo 740 Turbo- my boosted beater '04 Maggie GTO-RIP '98 Audi A6-sold '04 Acura TL m6/navi- My Daily

12-23-2008, 9:09 AM	#19
F23A4 Moderator Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Somerset County NJ Age: 41 Posts: 12,978	Having driven both the 545i and 550i, both will make short work of the 02-03 TL-S, as the only bolt ons that would make it competetive with the latter is a supercharger. Non-FI bolt ons will only serve to lessen the margin of victory (slightly) for the 550i. (Sidenote: An 07-08 TL-S 6MT would make for an interesting race with the 545i though.)

12-23-2008, 9:12 AM	#20
pmptx Honda+Blue=My garage Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: DFW TX Posts: 2,341	Mark, I have run you (you kicked my @$$), but I give it to the 550. I think he has the TQ and cylinders to beat you. You are one of the quickes NA 2nd gens out there, but I think it is a mismatch. Sorry man. __________________ 2008 S2000 LBP ------->Texas TLS 02 ABP Icebox~10hp,CT sticker~25hp,AZ.com sticker>boost Megan Headers 12/04+Progressive RSB 24mm 03/07+Neuspeed Strutbar 03/07+V1 hardwired with remote unit 12/06+H&R Spring/Koni Yellows 09/07 Tranny #1 3/22/04 38K#2-4/10/07 95K#3-10/23/07 102K

12-23-2008, 4:01 PM	#23
Sonnick 6MT p0w@hh Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Long Island Age: 23 Posts: 508	By the "sound" of your post (context, can't hear it lol), it seemed you put up a good fight or possibly even won. If this is the case, and I'm shocked because those cars have buttloads more power AND are RWD. Since you're on "tranny #3" it's safe to say you are auto. Given the long gears of the auto in the TL-s, I still have a hard time seeing a chance for you, especially given your trap speed. A 10mph difference in trap speed is HUGE. And even though that was before your TB (throttle body?), headers, and random technology cat, those mods will not give you 10mph or even close to it..even though I know headers do a lot for that car. I'm not bashing your car I particularly like the 2nd gen TL-s, I think it's very sexy..either way let us know the results! You are one of the few that has asked a "who would win" question and actually has an answer! I was gonna make a thread too of my car vs. a 192whp gsr but I figured I'd just find out myself.. Age: 48...and still love the car and race. Thumbs up to that! __________________ 2006 SSM Accord 6MT Coupe { Fujita CAI } { RV6 Jpipe/test pipe } { OBX catback } {PC Deletes} { S-techs } 14.04 @99.71 (CAI/Jpipe) < best trap 100.82 >

12-23-2008, 5:45 PM	#24
fsttyms1 Mega Moderator 2000 Acura TL Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Appleton WI Age: 34 Posts: 52,099	Gotta love those that are paper racing. Real world is much different than what some magazine and the average driver usually do. Ive run with cars that should pull me but didnt. It will be closer than some make it out to be but i think the 550 will edge out.

12-23-2008, 7:03 PM	#27
iforyou You'll Never Walk Alone Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Age: 23 Posts: 4,860	damn it post the results already hahaha...i guess the bottom line is, we all know the 550i should win theoretically but in the real world anything can happen..and it seems like you won! __________________ 02 WDP 3.2TL-S Mods:: Inspire Conversion, K&N Air Filter, Eibach Sway Bars, Neuspeed Chrome Strut Bar, OEM lip kit, Blackout headlights, Nokya Yellow Fogs, Intake Resonator removed, Interior LED lights Wish list:: CAI, Headers, Pulleys, Exhaust, Spacers, 18" bronze Volk TE37's "Dream" list:: Comptech Supercharger kit or custom turbo kit

12-23-2008, 7:13 PM	#30
F23A4 Moderator Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Somerset County NJ Age: 41 Posts: 12,978	Though its not exactly a modded TL-S vs 550i comparison, this modded 02 Maxima SE 6MT vs 545i comparison might lend a little perspective : LINK BMW clearly designed the E60 with unrestricted portions of the Autobahn in mind.

12-24-2008, 6:42 PM	#38
iforyou You'll Never Walk Alone Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Age: 23 Posts: 4,860	I think the reason why the CL guys are "more in tune" is because they seem to be better than us. Just look at their 1/4 mile thread, all of them are very good times and a lot of them are running 13's with basic mods, even with the 5AT. __________________ 02 WDP 3.2TL-S Mods:: Inspire Conversion, K&N Air Filter, Eibach Sway Bars, Neuspeed Chrome Strut Bar, OEM lip kit, Blackout headlights, Nokya Yellow Fogs, Intake Resonator removed, Interior LED lights Wish list:: CAI, Headers, Pulleys, Exhaust, Spacers, 18" bronze Volk TE37's "Dream" list:: Comptech Supercharger kit or custom turbo kit

12-27-2008, 3:02 AM	#40
iforyou You'll Never Walk Alone Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Age: 23 Posts: 4,860	yaaa. will you post vids too? __________________ 02 WDP 3.2TL-S Mods:: Inspire Conversion, K&N Air Filter, Eibach Sway Bars, Neuspeed Chrome Strut Bar, OEM lip kit, Blackout headlights, Nokya Yellow Fogs, Intake Resonator removed, Interior LED lights Wish list:: CAI, Headers, Pulleys, Exhaust, Spacers, 18" bronze Volk TE37's "Dream" list:: Comptech Supercharger kit or custom turbo kit