paton5g

Alright. Keeping it short and sweet.

Liked J Swap, it's bad-ass. Started looking for engine.
Bought engine (75K Km's) w/ trans, harness, shift cables for $700.
Bought J Swap mounts.
Put engine in car.
Asked questions on forums about wiring.
Bought CL-S parts for $700 (ECU, harness, IM, TB, sensors) on advice of member to make it run.
Parts arrived, bolted on, didn't work, some pieces didn't match up.
Confronted member, he admitted bad advice, said he would help me figure it out. He hasn't, probably won't.

Another member is in the same boat I am. Same engine, same problems, SAME MEMBER GAVE HIM SAME BAD ADVICE, only he spent more money and drove back and fourth to his shop for weeks. His engine doesn't run either and he is out a lot of cash.


Questions:

What can we use for management? Stock 04-08 6 SPD w/ DBW?

There are a host of new improvements on 04-08 TL's which all have more complicated electrical systems integrated with the ECU. Will these be more trouble then they are worth?

Anything can be done, yes, but where is the "fine line" that we should observe? The two of us are bombarded with discouragement and doubts, but we are dead set on getting this swap done and working. We both think it can be done, we are both knowledgeable with swaps. We are hoping the experts here, with 3G TL experience will give us some more insight.


What I (we) have to work with:

J32A3 6 SPD - 100% factory, bolted into Integra w/ HASport mounts.
HASport axles.
Stock shift cables.
Hybrid Racing bolt in shifter.
Engine harness up to 3 big plugs.
RV-6 pre cat deletes

What I (we) need to make it run?

Remaining engine harness wiring (from 3 plugs in bay into cabin)
DBW 6 SPD ECU w/ ignition and key.
Additional ECU plugs for wiring.
Upper wideband O2 sensors, lower O2 sensors.
J Pipe
APP sensor w/ wiring and in-car module for DBW.

We do have the 04-08 TL PDF manual which has given us an idea of what we're looking at.

If anyone has advice on things we've overlooked, or something we should know, please share.

tenzingsherpa

ask nva-av6 he will know what to do. he actually has an integra and is planning on doing the same thing, except gonna use a stroker j37 engine.

paton5g

Thanks man.

handsom-hustla

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agreed ask nva-av6 or scroll through .com there are many threads on the swap. GL

handsom-hustla

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^^ .com

handsom-hustla

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sorry for the multiple post but its not applying the full web site. h0nda tech dot com

paton5g

Thanks. I appreciate the point toward HT. I've cycled through every J swap thread on that entire site but the problem is with the engine itself.

It is a TBW (Throttle By Wire) J32A3

The most popular V6 swap right now is the J32A2 which is cable throttle. Subtle difference from the outside I know, but Honda changed the entire engine when they built it (the J32A3). Sensors are different, more advanced and everything has been upgraded. It is these upgrades that have us stumped and are making it very difficult to do the swap.

stillhere153

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there's only 1 person who can help you... RICHIE V6

you need to literally convert the front of the car from the ecu to the headlights


my advice, find a junked manual tl and take the full wiring out, and have fun adapting it

I thought about doing this and theres another member on here (secret project ) working on the same block

it's not easy dealing with dbw... what did the dudes do with the modern k's??? dbw delete?

Yonkers914

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wow never saw a j32a3 swap in integra yet (in Person). So many j32a2 swap's but cant wait to see ur j32a3!!

Sonnick

Take this with a grain of salt as I'm not sure....but since you have the J32a3 which is found in the TL, why can't you use the TL harness and ECU? Even the TL-s ECU to have a better benchmark to start with as it's hard for us to tune our engines anyway. With I/E/PC deletes/Jpipe you should be pushing more than the J35a8 found in the TL-s, so the ECU should work pretty well.

Like I said, I'm no expert, just trying to give suggestions and see if anyone can correct me. NVA-AV6 is definitely the guy to ask as he's done numerous J swaps. You can also call P2R (PowerRevRacing) as they do great work for the J series as well. Good luck with your swap.

I saw a J32 integra in action and let me just say it's a beast

chase p

This might help:

Karcepts makes an adapter plate that allows you to bolt on a throttle body that does not use DBW to some intake manifolds that normally run DBW throttle bodies.

I believe it was designed to be used on K series engines but I have been told that it does bolt to the J series intake manifold.

Here is the link:
KARCEPTS RBC ADAPTER

Hope that helps

stillhere153

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nope... no can do... can't just delete dbw and then expect for a stock ecu to magically not own you

you either need a standalone (the likes of which P2R used on their EF [aem ems])

or like I said before, convert everything from the ecu to the headlights into a TL... that's it... point blank

paton5g

I have no intentions of deleting the DBW.

I know that it has to be there... PERIOD.

My concerns are with all the additional things that the TL has, over the CL-S. It is just a more complicated beast...

People on the forums are telling me...

"There's no way this can be done, there's just too much extra wiring, over a CL-S swap."
"The immobilizer system on the TL is nothing like the CL-S, even with the key and ignition it still won't run."

So, this is where I begin to have doubts and want to get second, third and fourth opinions...

Hi speed

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What are the advantages of running the J32A3 over the older type-s engine? Aren't they both rated at the same HP and TQ and the older engine much easier to work with?

phee

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this would be better off in the 2nd generation section. first mistake was buying the DBW engine. best swap is the 02-03 type-s engine with the cl-s or tl base 04-06 tranny and the richie V6 engine harness.

i researched for a year and a half before i jumped in. pm me with specific questions and i will help.

phee

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https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-1999-2003-98/phees-99-tl6-swap-thread-parts-list-price-list-question-thread-703784/

my thread. it even has a parts list in it for the swap.

NVA-AV6

Ohh, you are in for a world of fun, the A3 would have been my last choice for this as the ECU will complain until you also graft in the ABS system, multiplexers, DBW system and cluster from another 04-06 TL. Backdating the cam and crank sensors to say a 03 CL-S won't fly eaither as the oil pump does not have to mounting holes in the right position for it, the tranny does not have the extra crank sensor, and the cam gear will not bolt up right to the A3 cams, so you now HAVE to go down the route of making your teg a 3rd gen TL.........

Souljah

^ There you go

Sounds like a rough road ahead.

phee

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measure twice and cut once

same applies for cars

research twice and buy once

sell all that shit to another sucker and start over

Richie v6

I had someone else call me with the exact same problem. My advice is to run standalone. I will trade you a harness for the motor.

This is the hatch we built last summer. It is running code free and puts down 242WHP on a dyno dynamics. Kind of regret it, still cant get traction worth a damn.

NCTL05

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^^^I want a picture with the hood closed.

Richie v6

NCTL05

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Ha! That's awesome!

KaMLuNg

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that is funny..

Souljah

nice

subinf

Sweet

phee

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u cant get traction because of those tires rich!

Sonnick

I agree. What are those 225s? You need at LEAST 245s on that bish Rich! Lower it and get some beefy tires and you will be haulin ass

phee

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also, lower the front moar.

bzyrice

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Man that sux, my first swap in a civic took me 6 months.. I wish you luck.. sounds like stand alone is the only way out of not selling all your parts..

Richie v6

I think they are 215s we were planing on getting some slicks. That was before the split up with my partner. The car is for sale now.

o4Komodo

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I wonder how the TL front would look instead...


I vote TL front-clip swap =o

bmeyer

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Certainly can't be any worse...

paton5g

Selling the J32A3.

Weighed all the options.

Stand alone - too expensive.
Wiring in everything required to make it work right - too expensive.
Fabricating the engine to use older sensors - too expensive.

Buying J32A2 6MT, converting TL trans into CL-S trans with new bell housing... just right.

Hi speed

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I am sorry to hear you were misled about the J32A2, but cutting your losses is the best course of action. The non drive by wire system on the older J32's is so much easier to work with and finding clutches and flywheels for the CL-s trannys will be sooo much cheaper and easier. No one makes a clutch for the 3G for a reasonable price.

phee

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u still need to do more research. you dont even need to change the bellhousing to get the shit to work.

please please please just google the shit

phee

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also, cl clutch and tl clutch's are the same. interchangeable and so are the flywheels. if it works for the cl then it works for the tl

I hate cars

A stand alone is the only way to go. The only reason to stick with a factory ECM is if it were staying in a TL where many of the accessories rely on the factory computer. Otherwise junk the factory ECM.

You can get a decent standalone for $1,500 and have all the tunability you could ever dream of. For that price you could ditch the speed density setup and go with a more mod friendly mass air system. The standalones will always be safer for the engine especially once power levels start going higher with forced induction.

phee

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well unless this is a secondary full project car i doubt he has the money/desire to go full standalone. most people who do engine swaps want more power but cant afford a better car.

thats why i did mine.

Danny Hunley

learned alot from all of you guys. thanks alot. i know now what NOT to do hahah