tomf

In a recent thread, it was mentioned that the 1995 legend coupe LS calipers work very well on the 03 TL type S. Does anyone have input/feedback on this ? I called the acura dealership today to order them, and they said " it is a different part number and they wont fit". Well, just because it is a different part number doesnt necessarily mean it wont fit. They are very proud of the 95 legend calipers $508 EACH. Any input would be great !

tweedle99

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I was looking into the same conversion a while back. Yes they will fit, make sure you get GS version w/ 2 pistons. Best to get a remanufactured one from Orelly or advance auto. Around $80-90 each side.

You just have to swap the side, meaning L caliper would go on the R side of the TL so that the bleeder valve would be at the highest point.

bonknhead

I thought 01TL4TL had a DIY for this?

acutee

Yeah, 01TL4TL is the man on Legend caliper. See his comment below:

Legend Calipers: Cant go wrong with the '95 Legend LS Coupe calipers

from kragen: the raybestos pro grade for 95 legend LS coupe with brackets
FRC10627 72.99 online price + 30 core
FRC19628 72.99
take the metal clips off the new brackets and swap over to TL brackets
USE TL pads TL rotors TL brackets TL brake lines
swap calipers Left for Right they have aq big letter on them to know
Expect air to get trapped in dual pistons- bleed all corners- redo- then go do 2 abs stops from 45, if pedal gets better 2nd stop- rebleed brakes
return old calipers with the stripped brackets and go about your day smiling

Front Calipers that should work:
93-95 Legend LS Coupe (40mm and 38mm)
94-95 Legend GS Sedan "" ""
91-96 NSX (40mm and 36mm)

totaledTL

Did the swap & works great. If you plan to replace your calipers anyway you might as well use the Legend calipers anyway.

01tl4tl

those part numbers can be used as a cross referance to other brands if desired
and the 2nd one in the list above has a wrong digit
raybestos rebuilt- got mine from kragen/oreillys ordered online for better price and returned cores to local store,Store should match their own online price

the store is happy to get TL calipers back,(say nothing just return them) they can sell those easier than some for an old 95 car~
FRC 10627
FRC 10628

the swapping sides with caliper has nothing to do with bleeder on top- we dont flip the caliper in the process!- just reverse the side of the strut its mounted on compared to original intent, so the brake line fits and you can reach the bleeder

01tl4tl

the 95 LS-C (coupe) is favored for having the piston sizes as close together as possible- a few mm is nothing-

tomf

Awesome ! Thanks for all the input guys. I will get this ordered and put on some slotted rotors and report back with some pics etc.

01tl4tl

I took pics but never posted
they look like brake calipers~

painted mine black as they tend to surface rust without it

tomf

on your reply #6 you said " swapping sides with caliper has nothing to do with bleeder on top- we dont flip the caliper in the process" Are you saying to DO NOT take left side and move it to right side ?? Thanks

AlanW

I'm glad this came up. I don't understand this part:
"Take metal clips off new brackets and put them on the TL brackets"

But then it says:
"USE TL pads TL rotors TL brackets TL brake lines"


What exactly are the metal clips-the ones that fit on the brackets that the ears of the brake pads sit in?

Or the spring that fits in the middle of the caliper?

So do I need to buy only the 95 Legend dual calipers, or do I need the brackets for a 95 Legend also??

tomf

Another question - Do we need to upgrade to a larger master cylinder to move more liquid to compensate for the dual piston ?

tomf

GS or LS for dual piston ???

01tl4tl

1995 LS-C (coupe) the raybestos numbers I gave are for the correct calipers with the size pistons we want, and the brackets included

you take the end metal clips off the brackets, where the pads slide in and out.
take the new ones off the legend bracket and install on the TL bracket
throw that big center clip inside the legend caliper away- we dont use it- it will make noise if installed~

take the new bolts from the legend setup and transfer to TL brackets

the legend bracket mounting holes are 2mm off from the TL -thats why we grab the small parts off it- they should be replaced and its cheaper to buy them this way

Left caliper goes on right side, R goes on driver side
its simply turning the caliper around, not flipping it upside down!!
thats some crazy story from years ago,, thats somehow kept alive on azine

on the legend, they were mounted on rear side of strut- we take it 180 degrees and mount it on front of strut, so we turn them around
does that explain it better?

NO on different master cyl- the extra fluid needed stays stored in the pistons, you fill the master to normal full line
Brake fluid only moves a few MM in the line and caliper when you push the pedal, then it returns straight back when pedal released
it does not circulate anywhere in the system, so no level drop from increased piston storage capacity in operation

totaledTL

I used the large center (anti-rattle-?) clips. One of them did rub at first because it got slightly bent. Just rebent it to clear & worked fine, no more noise.

AlanW

OK, I still don't understand, if you are using the same bracket and pads from the TL, why do you need the clips off the Legend bracket-whats wrong with the clips already being used on the TL bracket...

acutee

How I understood is, we are using the legend calipers, not the whole assembly. So, you need the clips from legend, and replace the old ones from TL.

totaledTL

Use the clips from the reman. (Legend) caliper/brkt. assy. because they are NEW.

AlanW

Ahhh..I see now..I was looking at Auto Zone rebuilt Legend calipers for $50 each that DO NOT come with the bracket. So if my current clips on my TL are in good shape, no need to have to pay additional to get Legend brackets just to get the clips?

totaledTL

I'm not sure about Auto Zone, just ask them if they come with the associated hardware. Better yet if you find a store that stocks them go look.

01tl4tl

the 50 dollar ones are NOT the dual piston models!!!

the kragen website has 3 pages of 95 Legend calipers, these are on the last page.
I gave the part numbers for the correct dual piston model--it took some research but those are the good ones

order the 50 bucks ones and prove me wrong~ please!!! It will make my day~

you are supposed to replace the brake hardware, the bolts and metal pieces, at brake pad change
so 10 years in--your car is ready for new ones

the big center anti noise clip is for legend pads on legend rotors which are a different size than ours, and not a great fit together Im guessing

9 out of 10 who try it with the clip installed get rub and have to take the caliper back off, repaint the edge of rotors and proceed with normal TL setup, no center clip inside the caliper
It pushes down on the pads to prevent noise,,if the TL needed it, it would have come with the car

01tl4tl

you wont find a store that stocks 95 legend calipers
they all come from a warehouse a day or 2 away,
no market for storing a part like that on the shelf,,a huge rush of people coming for a 95 legend part,,or even a TL caliper,,,not gonna happen

AlanW

O'Reilly's clearly shows a picture of a dual piston caliper for a 95 Legend LS or GS. It is a rebuilt caliper with hardware kit for $50 plus core. Part # 19-1744 and 19-1745. (It also shows pictures of single piston caliper for the LS model)

Auto Zone shows picture of rebuilt dual piston caliper for 95 Legend GS for $50 plus core, but apparently no hardward kit with it.

I replaced front & rear pads on the TLS recently, so my current hardware is still good. I would probably get the O'Reilly's caliper that has the new hardware kit anyway.

Please check those part numbers and tell me if that is not the ones!!!!!

01tl4tl

I can only guarantee the accuracy of what I actually ordered and used from kragen/oreilly
raybestos rebuilt: frc10627 and frc10628 they/you can cross-referance that to other brands easily

I also found the website people are not always accurate in the pics,,they had a rear caliper shown for fronts!

maybe there was a huge price drop from 75 to 50 in the last year with the takeover?
order whatever you think is right, and let us know!
you got pads with new slider plates and caliper bolts? what brand?

01tl4tl

the official term for what we want is `SEMI Loaded`, thats caliper with the bracket to grab the small parts off of
`fully` loaded include bracket and pads

Im sure there is a set without the bracket, at the time it was a few dollars differance between the 3 pages of selections

01tl4tl

just looked at your part number- pics show all the small parts you want plus some
Appears to be the right part,,go for it

the parts clerk doesnt know one caliper from another and doesnt care what you bring in as a core--could be a rusted out pos,,,say nothing and walk away with your cash

the rebuild/reseller factory loves getting the TL cores, more market for them

AlanW

I finally realized the difference between the $50 ones & $75 ones is that the $75 comes with the caliper & bracket, while the $50 come only with the caliper.

The O'Reilly's $50 ones were the best deal because they come with a complete hardware set. The Auto Zone $50 caliper apparently does not have hardware, just bare caliper.

I could not find anything locally on those Raybestos numbers, and we don't/didn't have Kragen stores around here.

I can't wait to do this brake mod, but I'm gonna have to $$ chill $$ for awhile, as I just got new springs, struts, and wheels...........

01tl4tl

oreilly is the new name for kragens

01tl4tl

all those `go faster and harder thu the corner` parts and no `slow quicker` parts to compensate?? be careful!!

AlanW

Yeah, it definitely would be nice if the heavy-assed thing braked a little better, I would like a lot more bite when you first hit it

01tl4tl

racingbrake ET500 pads are that way
they work best on RB rotors, but on anything they will stop it better