dafyduk17

just got a new set of wheels. what does everyone think?

eazy

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I think your pictures aren't working

types1fan

They are ok

05 NHB

I can't see them either...???

indopinoy

are those LMs?

justnspace

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please take pictures of the side profile of your car

eazy

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Those look like replicas. Are they Gen. BBS?

2010_Type_SH

+1

potmilkz

i urge you to get rid of those rims..

fake rims only cause problems.

here are some examples of fake bbs lm that are cracked under normal driving.








friends dont let friends ride on fake wheels.

eazy

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^ damnnnnn

potmilkz

you drive a 40k car..

forged or gtfo..

HeartTLs

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You said cracked not shattered; looks like someone drop their wheels from 20' and finished off the rims with a sledgehammer.

KB1Spec

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Wow.....

compewterbleu

Holy shit! It amazes me that folks will go cheap on the parts of the car that hit the road, the tire and rims. Not good.

potmilkz

i dare to have anyone argue with me on having real wheels vs fakes.


forged < cast

either way.. you end up going into a wall or ditch

HeartTLs

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Pot what's your take on forged monoblock replicas?

TRIUMPHT

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Who you telling. People always want to spend less which is not a bad thing all the time . but most the time they always end up spending more or exactly what they would've spent in the first place if they weren't trying to cut corners / BE CHEAP

TRIUMPHT

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SMFH

potmilkz

the definition of a replica (in the automotive world) is something made the same with cheaper and less cost efficient materials. Rarely at times where replicas outdo the originals, but in this case for rims, no. they do not.

If a company made BBS LM's with the same materials, construction, and also R&D that they do, then yes, i would have no problems buying them as replicas.

But as you can see here, these replicas are a exact definition of a replica. cheap (and i do mean cost and quality) and inexpensive.

you can get a set of used bbs lm's for 2000-2500 with tires, you just have to find them. These wheels that the OP bought probably cost him about 1500 with tires..

essentially whoever is buying these and putting it in their car is digging their own grave.. it if cracks on you while your driving, your repairs could cost 10 times more than what you paid for the wheels


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJeFB...layer_embedded

types1fan

Good video pot, shows exactly what you guys are talking about.there is a saying if you want to play u have to pay.

combat mediC

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40k car w/ 800 dollar rims. LMAO

dafyduk17

wow. what did you guy hit? not normal pot holes?

yea, mine are replicas. wasn't sure if +35 offset would fit the car without having fender work or sacrifice tire size. i didn't want my speedo to be wack. so i got some cheap stuff to test.

sorry about the pictures. i'm new and don't really know how to work the site.

potmilkz

a normal 1.5 to 2 ft pothole will crack your replicas.

be careful driving those man! remember they are weaker than your oem wheels

dafyduk17

in my defence of being cheap:

let's talk about that video. if the wheels are mounted on the car and u hit something as hard as the beam falling on the wheel in the video, your suspension would be likely damaged. so wouldnt you want a softer rim so maybe the rim breaking is taking most of the hit? if the rim was stronge and stays intacted, then wouldn't that mean you control arms would be absorbing the hit? maybe even bend a subframe?

wheels are the first things to get beat up. curb'd while parking? rock chips? stolen? so i really dont see myself spending that much on original wheels.

i think as long as i dont try to parallel park at 30mph, i'll be ok with the reps.


1.5-2 ft deep?

thank u guys for the look out. i'll consider better wheels when i see something in a 20inch with 45-50 offset range. but for now, these will do.

cjTL

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I think they look nice.

Steven Bell

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Dafy, this is an interesting discussion about real versus replica/fake wheels. Obviously, with it being summer, potholes are not as prevalent as in the winter. You've got time to consider your options.

potmilkz

no.. didnt you see the video, real rims didnt crack, but fakes do. you cant see the difference.

the reals can take a beam while fakes cant.. doesnt that tell you anything.. my oem wheels can take a beam lol..


Your whole perception on how suspension works is totally wrong..

First off, suspensions (and its components i.e control arms, camber kit) are made to flex, its designed to take these type of conditions. and no you will not bend your subframe.
Secondly, its your rim that is having contact with the pothole/curb, etc. Your rims do not flex, your suspensions do, the initial damage is done between the rim and whatever your hitting. Note that your car weights about 4000 lbs, so initially its about 1000lbs per wheel. So there is a lot of force that comes when hitting something with your rims.



Here is some tips..

1. take your time parking so you dont curb.
2. rock chips? your worried about friggen rock chips? i have had my oem wheels on my car for a year and i still dont have a single rock chip.
3. Stolen? Here is an idea, get wheel locks.

original wheels arent that expensive, get them used, they probably cost as much as you paid for those. you will be suprised on how many people actually takes care of their wheels.


no fool, 1.5 - 2ft wide.

your rim will disconnect from the tire and you will be riding rimless resulting in a crash.

each name brand wheel (ie volks, ssr's, works, bbs, etc) are tested in always before it gets sold. these rims that you have are mass produced and just shipped out.

there is no R&D for the fake rims you bought. why do you think that it takes about 2-3 months for real Japanese or European rims to be purchased. it is made to order and tested.


You live in the 626 area, thats where i live, you better watch out dude.. socal is famous for bad roads.. especially the fwys.. all those fucken constructions were having..

btw how much did you spend on those if you dont mind me asking.. i have a guy that sells those for 500 down in corona.

07wdptl-s

what about ron jon wheels i have purchase a set and it clearly states made in china.

dafyduk17

my uncle is the manufacturer for the reps i have. (i'm not helping him promote so he will stay anonymous)

Sorry Pot. i think you misunderstood my whole arguement. suspension flexs upward. but if u hit anything straight on the face of the rim like the video, you're gonna bend an arm. thats for sure. especially since the acuras are now using the multi-link suspension. hitting potholes while driving, the suspension will take most of the force.

also series of tire and air presure in the tire would also cause rims to break/dent/crack. ppl don't regularly check their PSI. run 25PSI on a 35 series tire i believe any rim would get damaged, maybe not completely break apart like the cheap reps. but at least a dent.

2 ft Potholes? wouldn't you be able to see a pothole that size and should be able to avoid? winter and rain season is a different story. but how often does it rain in Socal?


there are so many replica companies out there. tenzo, rota, drags, spun, chikara, varrastoen, nippon. they sell millions of wheels. if your arguement is right, then every single rice rocket out there will crash and burn cuz their rims broke.

dafyduk17

thanks. good point. are they one of those cheap companies? does 'made in china' make them cheap? or the fact that they didn't replicate anyone's style make them worth thousands even though they are made in china?

not talking smack about RonJon. cuz mine are 'made in Taiwan'. so probably came off the same boat.

ANDYCHULOSKI09

Wheels are wheels u buy em you use em I rather spend 800 on some replicas then 2000 on real wheels I bend or brake a fake wheel buy another and there plenty full see u get a brand new real wheel in less the 2 days already to mountb

eazy

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Worth thousands? You can buy a set of ronjon wheels for 1200-1300. How much did you pay for your LM-R's? 500 bucks? So what if ronjon is made in china doesn't mean the quality is cheap like replicas. and yea maybe the fact they didn't replicate someones shit that they're able to produce wheels that don't cut corners and use cheap material like replicas.

dafyduk17

so reps sell for 500-800 bucks. RonJons sell for 1200 and you're saying they are just as good as original BBS, rays, volks? just because they're original, what makes you think RonJons are made better then reps? prove to me and i'll shut up about Ronjon.

FYI, i didn't bring up RonJon. someone said they from china. i originally thought they were at bbs/volk/ray level of price and quaility. but i guess not.

Treblig

Although true and valid points, you would hate to have a failure at in opportune time. That being said, it's not like anything couldn't fail at anytime but I can't help but to think that most people would bet on the better odds of the least likely failure risk.

potmilkz

if you have a car that hits you on the side of the wheel no shit it will bend your suspension. do you know that were talking about driving on the road, not getting into a car accident. if you run into a curb head on, yes your point is valid. im talking about oranges, your talking about apples. stick to potholes and road conditions.


no, tire will not cause your rim to bend, whatever your hitting will cause it to bend. you can have a high series tire, and you can still bend your rim.

obviously if you hit something hard enough anything will break, my point is that those reps are prone to breaking on lighter conditions.
i.e potholes, un-leveled roads.



At the end, its up to you to believe what you want.

you will see when a scenario comes up, your putting you and your passengers in danger.

rondog

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The factory making the wheels and the manufacturer's requirements make the difference, not the whole damn country, that is too general of a characteristic to classify a wheel. We have factories in Taiwan, China and South Korea, there are no other legitimate options besides Japan, and if you thought our wheels were expensive, Japan wheels would be even more so.

We assign specific load ratings, structure and corrosion tests as well as fatigue, stress, impact and salt tests to ensure the quality. The factory only does what we ask and charges us accordingly. If we said, forget all those tests and make them as cheap as possible, the factory would do it with little resistance.

Please, no more debate about our quality, we stand behind our product and we are not a cheap replica quality company. Otherwise we would not be in business for so long, or dedicated to the customer's needs. Our specs catering to these vehicles and our customers is half of it, our quality is the other half. makes no sense to be so quality driven in specs, then throw it away with cheap materials, engineering and finishes. Heck, even out packaging is very high quality, ask anybody who ever received any of our wheels in the box brand new.

ggesq

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I had 19" RJ Legends on my 05 and hit a pothole that was about 1-2 ft wide going 45mph. The tire blew. The rim was not bent or cracked- no problems whatsoever. I would say based on my personal experience that RJ quality is top notch.

dafyduk17

Thanks for the input. So RonJons are good quality and good priced. No argument there.


if a car t-bones me, Screw the wheels. In fact, screw the car. Junk it and have the insurance take care of it.

swoosh

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there goes the OP's excitement....

OP keep the rims if you cant return em....but yeah look into some RJ....they are very well made and not too pricey for the quality....

dafyduk17

or just use them until they break and wreck the car. then get a new car a start over.